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jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendredi, Fri Nov 1 16:00:59 2002
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jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Caracas, Fri Nov 1 14:38:55 2002
A Catholic priest is a man who everybody calls "Father" except for his own children, who have to call him "uncle".
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
Amsterdam, , , Fri Nov 1 12:01:45 2002
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jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendles, Thu Oct 31 13:38:32 2002
.... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Daily Darker, .<, Vendles, Tue Oct 29 14:28:00 2002
Dear Spotter, No offense at all and no 1-upmanship perceived. I just wondered how something self evident could be based on anything beyond itself, be it a pack of lies or whatever else. Were that the case, then the item in question would not be 'self' but 'otherly' evident.
Now, since Tom kept slaves (and I don't remember offhand his subsequent actions in their regard but he did have issue with at least one, whose descendants were recently met together in DC), does it invalidate his contention that all men are etc etc? Not really; it merely shows that even he, manifestly a man of his times, fell short of the created ideal, as it were. He was after all only 33 when he set down the Declaration. I have always seen the statement as one of an ideal that so, despite my own failure to date to achieve it, doesn't per se lose validity; his having made an alteration in his final draft is straightforward enough if he wrote the document was in the first place.
As for the Venezuelan situation, byzantine, in flux, not to speak of never a dull moment, the whole thing is as it is because the various rights and purposes of government, whereof even Tom would only claim authorship, not origination, are being grossly honoured in the breach. I would contend that the dissidents moved because they felt indeed, as you cite, "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.” and that the present version here is not making any progress in that direction, mainly because they are driving in an entirely opposite one. Wherewith I seek to convey that our present situation here would confirm Tom's contention rather than provide evidence against it. I think.
It was nice to see the good old 'codswallop' in print again, taking one back to the days of rascals, bounders, blackguards and people who, when unintroduced, declared that one 'had the advantage' of them. Not to mention Preseland Road at four in the afternoon. Or Geneviéve Bujold.
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
jj, .., Vendles, Fri Oct 25 22:23:35 2002
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jj <jj>
jj, .., Vendles, Fri Oct 25 16:35:03 2002
1997 Their Steward BINNED them
1999 Their Headmaster BINNED them
1999 They LOST a hopeless, self-inflicted court case and a Judge BINNED them
2000 The Police BINNED them
2000 Their own Solicitor BINNED them
2000 They LOST another hopeless self-inflicted court-case and another Judge BINNED them
2001 Their replacement Steward BINNED them
2001 Their membership BINNED them
2002 Their LANDLORDS BINNED them
2002 Now even Smigger's wife has BINNED him...
Bin Laden <>
, , , Fri Oct 25 02:30:31 2002
Dear Spotter, How do you make out the thing where 'self evident' truths being based on something beyond their 'self evident' character? I don't get that. Also, I looked again at the Declaration (at http://memory.loc.gov/const/declar.html) and wondered which lies you were referring to exactly?
I refrain from asking his mayorship which other menagerie members, if they can come through, can be blind-eyed, Russian Bears, German Eagles, les gazelles de Pomfret Major Sur Mer...
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jj <jj>
jj, jj, Vendles, Thu Oct 24 21:53:21 2002
Thanking in advance!
Unselfassured <gerrofright@awayplease.edu>
Tunbridge Wells, .., .., Wed Oct 23 15:12:12 2002
First, it is ridiculed...
Second, it is violently opposed...
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.....
Schopenhauer <>
, , , Wed Oct 23 02:20:17 2002
"For the third year running the Club has traded at a loss!
Deposits in the Savings Bank have been virtually wiped out just to pay the bills!
Last year I WARNED the membership of the very position in which we now stand!
My exhortation 'use it or lose it' seems to have demonstrated your preference for the latter!...."
Go figure!
Van Helsing <>
, , , Wed Oct 23 00:30:21 2002
A members club is not the same as a pub. A pub licensee/manager has an absolute discretion to serve or not to serve anyone he likes/dislikes. We know that before we walk through the door - and if we are not amenable to the pub or vice versa there are plenty of others to choose from. A club, on the other hand, is an entirely different proposition - every member is a joint owner of all the property of the club, and to attempt to remove one member is only possible, according to the law of England, on four conditions - ALL of which must be strictly adhered to.
i) the rules agreed among the members do actually confer such power on a committee of the club.
ii) such rules are followed to the letter.
iii) during such proceedings the principles of natural justice are followed.
iv) only bona fide grounds are permissible for such action to be taken against a member.
Alas, in the OldBoys case, there was repeated WHOLESALE disregard of ALL of the above. The whole thing was just a malicious private frolic doomed from the start to BOOMERANG BADLY on the originators. Even after being slapped-down at court these kamikaze-pilots decided to continue with their carnival of malice. Like Dastardly and Muttley in their Flying Machines, these losers came back week after week with some new harebrained, cack-handed, improbable scheme or excuse for their failure to catch their "pesky pigeon" - and week after week they would predictably crash in flames. This obsession went on and on until the club was inevitably destroyed...
Mr. Justice S. Tinks <>
, , , Sun Oct 20 00:28:06 2002
"Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now" - by THE SMITHS....
Mr. Justice S. Tinks <>
, , , Fri Oct 18 20:22:55 2002
(*)It could be argued that, as this is a guestbook, we should limit the comments to the "lovely site, brought tears to me eyes" G.B.-type comments. So:
Claire, it's a lovely site and brings tears to my cheeks nearly every time I look in. They're usually the sort of tears one associates with raucous laughter ;) Thanks...
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.co.>
, Amsterdam, , Wed Oct 16 17:07:49 2002
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendles, Tue Oct 15 20:35:29 2002
Love You Guys!
....& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendles, Mon Oct 14 21:30:37 2002
And Canada! A flowing of goodwill, going from Canadian, Eh? breakfasts in Columbia, sunny circuses, as it were and Globo-Activism writ BIG, not forgetting Geneviéve, natch, and overall, a welcome and easygoing appreciation all round, plus a familiarity, heretofore probably diffuse, with Nunavut, details at http://www.gov.nu.ca/Nunavut/ among others. Would the world have been apprised as succinctly as has been the case were it not for TCC, one muses? That has to count for something: how many community sites are discussing matters as diverse and globally topical as wind farms, MoD daftibility ratings, Cirques á tout faire, aircraft development milestones, Geneiviéve Bujold, ahem, Key Lime Temptations and Decadent Chocolate Chip Cookies, Power Bars, Roy Rogers and Trigger, polyfacetical burgeoning Burboism, and these but a single case of stuff, triggered by 'our' spotter in Florida, bolstered by our 'men in' the Tronnas, Formby and all sortsa in between to name but a few.
Go Claire!
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The darkening, .., Vendles, Mon Oct 14 15:11:52 2002
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jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., .., Sun Oct 13 20:05:22 2002
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jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendles, Sun Oct 13 18:03:38 2002
He once sqeaked in desperate and impotent rage:-
"WE MUST SOMEHOW GET SGT. TEESDALE TO REALISE THAT OUR PROBLEMS ALL STEMMED FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL!!...."
Well!!!, HE-LLO!!! don't you think that Teesdale knows his job - that he has tangled often enough with that "one individual"?? - the evasise, bilious, bumptious, supercilious, malicious, disingenuous, asinine barrel of humbug who has finally run the OldBoys into the ground....
Get your glasses changed - the "problem" has been staring you in the face since 1996....
Edward Lionheart <>
The Critics Circle, , , Sun Oct 13 16:01:14 2002
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jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendles, Sun Oct 13 11:13:42 2002
ONE has died... (only one?)
FOUR have resigned...
leaving only 4 (a MINORITY!) still desperately f******g in the rigging of the shattered hulk....
Edward Lionheart <>
The Critics Circle, , , Sun Oct 13 04:30:54 2002
"WHAT POWER HAVE *YOU* GOT IN THE CLUB??"
Well!!! Now that your "Castle in the Air" has evaporated, perhaps you recognize that the gods do not give POWER to DSS paper-shufflers(except in their drunken imagination). You can now return to your proper calling in life - constrained to being pleasant and polite to The Great Unwashed - for the forseeable future....
btw, What's it like sharing a bed with a small WHALE - do you ever see much action???
Edward Lionheart <>
The Critics Circle, , , Sun Oct 13 01:53:10 2002
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jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendles, Sat Oct 12 22:17:23 2002
Well!!, how could you think you would get off so lightly????
NO!!, YOU USELESS, MISERABLE PIECE OF VOMIT...
THE SKY...THE SUN...THE MOON...AND THE STARS *ALL* FELL IN ON YOU!!!!!
ARGHHHH! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! ha ha ha ha..........
btw, have you ever read "THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF USHER" - you'll enjoy it.....
Edward Lionheart <>
The Critics Circle, , , Sat Oct 12 14:54:50 2002
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
etc, etc, etc, Fri Oct 11 20:38:27 2002
As for other stuff, there are the millions who've enjoyed "Anne of Green Gables", not Shakespeare, no, but certainly a book(s) for cutting your teeth on: I just gave 4 volumes to my 9-year old granddaughter, a lazy reading starter but who, after a quick shufti, knocked them off delightedly. Old Anne got her to self start reading in one easy lesson. TCC is full of reminiscences and memories of yesteryear, witness to the fact that childhood ideals and perceptions are critically influential in forming the caste of our adult essence: in that light, Anne easily rivals Shakespeare's sonnets.
What about the cultural heritage of all those 'Canadien voyageurs' of yesteryear? Some of their songs are at http://www.contemplator.com/folk.html and have contributed to Canadian's and others' culture. Showbiz must figure obviously but, being the case, then I feel that a longer view should prevail over an instantaneous take. And, there, Canada oozes talent from high and low, including but by far not restricted to: Pamela Anderson, Dan Ackroyd, Megan Follows, Donald Southerland, Mort Sahl, John Candy, Rae Dawn Chong and my very favourite, Geneviéve Bujold.
With all that and lots more besides, what does Canada need any Saxe Coburg incoursion for at all at all?
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, ,,, Vendles, Fri Oct 11 20:37:28 2002
As for other stuff, there are the millions who've enjoyed "Anne of Green Gables", not Shakespeare, no, but certainly a book(s) for cutting your teeth on: I just gave 4 volumes to my 9-year old granddaughter, a lazy reading starter but who, after a quick shufti, knocked them off delightedly. Old Anne got her to self start reading in one easy lesson. TCC is full of reminiscences and memories of yesteryear, witness to the fact that childhood ideals and perceptions are critically influential in forming the caste of our adult essence: in that light, Anne easily rivals Shakespeare's sonnets.
What about the cultural heritage of all those 'Canadien voyageurs' of yesteryear? Some of their songs are at http://www.contemplator.com/folk.html and have contributed to Canadian's and others' culture. Showbiz must figure obviously but, being the case, then I feel that a longer view should prevail over an instantaneous take. And, there, Canada oozes talent from high and low, including but by far not restricted to: Pamela Anderson, Dan Ackroyd, Megan Follows, Donald Southerland, Mort Sahl, John Candy, Rae Dawn Chong and my very favourite, Geneviéve Bujold.
With all that and lots more besides, what does Canada need any Saxe Coburg incoursion for at all at all?
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, ,,, Vendles, Fri Oct 11 20:37:27 2002
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, ., Vendles, Wed Oct 9 22:54:26 2002
WHY???
The answer is straightforward enough and is as old as history....
A moribund, anachronistic organization falls, by default, into the "control" of a handful of intellectually-challenged idiots, who consider the parking of their fat backsides on committee-chairs the summit of their lifetimes achievement, and behave entirely predictably....
Intoxicated on their so-thought "power", these aments really believed that by subverting all known law they could victimize and ostracize certain people with impunity, for their own amusement....
WELL, YOU STOPPED LAUGHING A WHILE AGO, DIDN'T YOU????
LOSERS YOU WERE BORN AND LOSERS YOU WILL DIE!!!!!
Did you really think for one moment that the Headmaster would cover up your crimes for you?????
NO, HE IMMEDIATELY DISOWNED YOU - BECAUSE, IN HIS WORDS, YOU WERE BRINGING HIS SCHOOL INTO DISREPUTE!!!!!
Did you really think you could fool a High Court Judge???
NO, HE TOLD YOU, EX-SCHOOLTEACHERS, TO "GO AWAY AND PUT ON YOUR THINKING-CAPS"!!!!!
Did you really think you could fool your OWN expensive barrister???
NO, IDIOTS, BECAUSE HE GLADLY TOOK YOUR MONEY OFF YOU- THEN THREW IN THE TOWELL AND COMPLIMENTED YOUR VICORIOUS OPPONENT ON HIS LEGAL EXPERTISE BEHIND YOUR BACKS!!!!!
Did you really think you could fool the Police???
NO, BECAUSE THEY OBJECTED TO YOUR LICENCE AND WILL DANCE ON YOUR GRAVES SHORTLY!!!!!
Did you really think you could fool your membership????
NO, BECAUSE THE VAST MAJORITY OF DECENT MEMBERS, WHO YOU SHAMELESSLY TRIED TO MANIPULATE, QUIETLY CREPT AWAY FROM THE CESS-PIT YOU CREATED!!!!
Did you really think you could fool your landlords?????
NO, THEY'VE GIVEN YOU NOTICE TO QUIT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE DIFFERNCE BETWEEN BUSINESSMEN AND LOSERS LIKE YOU...
GOODBYE.....LOSERS, IT'S BEEN FUN WATCHING YOUR CONVULSIONS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS...
Know your limitations. Don't try and play serious games with serious people - the outcome is a FOREGONE conclusion.....
Bin Ladin's understudy <dontfuckwithme@theartofwar.org>
HappyTown, , , Wed Oct 9 01:55:01 2002
Yes, there's food for TTCers' implemetation of their natural fertility rights, sure enough!
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendles, en la mismisima orilla!, Tue Oct 8 19:15:16 2002
And how utterly elegant to quietly pastel in that Belle Starr wore her 6-shooters slung at an angle to her waistly horizontal identical to that at which the River Alt at Hightown joins the Mersey by using her name in the e-mail addy. You gotta take your cap off to that. Welcome Anon!
It will have escaped no-one's notice that Crosby's early American connexions are tumbling in, fast and furious. I wonder whether spotter has a handle on that info source of the early days; would there have been any Jeffersons in the borough then, I wonder?
And so to the Slice Rate. Yes. Yes indeed. Altogether. I see the rate covers Satties' stuff. We must have a surefire method to avoid devaluation by forgeries: no "granny's as good as anyones'" or even home kitchen look-alikes. Any low-cholesterol financiers out there? ... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendles, Mon Oct 7 21:19:13 2002
For another, though really only another take on the same point, from our Florida "spotter", I wanted to take issue with the phrase, 'When the final decision is taken on the Burbo flag I hope you....' implying that there is some entity, to which spotter doesn't belong - hence 'I hope you...'- that will take a flag decision. Well, if we are to have a set-up where each a is as good as the rest, then there ain't no 'you'. Whilst all such set-ups will ultimately designate fellas for flags, strategy, Sniggery infiltrations etc, at the present stage, spotter is as much of a flag man as any other, the more so, I'd say inasmuch as, thanks to his dilligence, we become apprised of our Burbo area's having constituted a geopolitically and socially pivotal entity in yet another of history's great milestones, being the American Civil War! If spotter's data update on Brighton-le sands and Burbo is the case, then I think that it would be remiss of any, as yet undesignated, flag committee to omit some reference to event and events thereform emanating and would further urge incorporation of one or more of the Dunworthy Bulloch addresses on tourist literature (starting with TCC's 'famous people' section?). The form of a flag inclusion of our Dixie past would be a matter for debate but I see the inclusion itself as a matter of duty.
The anthem: while seconding the mayor's gusto and feeling suggestion and Babs' Sattie incorporation proposal, I would like to observe that no mention has been made of the melody part; we can't keep the familiar one, a) because it jibes with Burbogeon independence; and b) because somebody's already using it. Babs, with her suggested modification of the mayor's initial one, has also broached the other point, namely, a mere taking of a familiar anthem and tweaking it doesn't cut the mustard. We must, I most urgently urge, tweak LARGE if ours is not to risk being called 'a ruddy knock-off'. So, while lyrics may be suggested, I myself personnally here would like to hear what folk would like as a melody: Lillibulero? Johnny Tod? Theme from Von Flotow's Marta? A potpourri affair, including a few bars from Dixie? The Dambusters' March? Hey Jude? Eleanor R? An updated Albinoni's Adagio, scored for basson and twelve-string guitar? The Wabash Cannonball? Take the A Train?
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendles, Sun Oct 6 23:03:09 2002
Having said that, I would further hasten to observe that I am far from the first to strike a resounding blow for Burbindepandance: AF, our flagman himself, already flagrantly, courageously and publicly dismissed hidebound tradition - tradition solely for tradition's sake - in the design of the flag shewn in his post; without so much as a 'by your leave', he blithely omitted the sharp accent belonging over the penultimate 'e' in 'dancettee'. Take that, 'masters'! And power to his arm, I cry! There's a man we can follow in the solid confidence of his committment to Burbo notwithsatnding the mildly worded 'red herring' protest, 'Who? What? Where? When?'. Let us not forget that, when the world knows that one of that sort of political sophistication is rowing for Burbo, it can only buttress the overall cause. I was struck to by the groundbreaking 'wavyline and nebulyline', relishing a hazy recollection of the the old 'de Maupassant' story, Histoire d'une Nebulee (de Maupassant, Oeuvres Completes, Sedan 1870, Staatsdruckerei.) (Aside: Yes but my home machine has no accents)
As for Queen Jules I, I had taken it as an honourary term of endearment endowed by a sort of extention from Beatrice and Wilhelmina somehow, underlining Burbo's Dutch bond, purely symbolic of course, being an acknowledgement of their low lying areas - below sea level - and our own Burbogeon ones. Such a foreign policy posture may some day pay off, in free goodwill dykery degree courses leading to a B.Dy and Ph.Dy, for instance.
And so to the history issue. Yes, yes and yes again: countering a grave and insideous modern tendancy I have observed that ushers electronic youth into adulthood, mentally locked almost always in the 'now', growing up, virtually 'without a past' as it were, our history project can only do good, taking in as it must the ample range of influences, from very ancient, to ancient and on down, all melded into the characteristic Burbogeon ready smile, indefatigable scholarship and rendering a people of such ready versatility and, oddly enough, drop dead good looks: the dark 'eyes of Araby' dash and elan, the penetrating Viking seagoing gaze and the irresistable and romantically rogueish stance, posture, je ne sais quoi, call it what you will, that's rubbed off from contact with jolly Irish traders, some of whom actually put down roots on Burbo. I am solidly behind uncle Frank's suggestion: let's hear it for the Mayor's imagination and literary skills in moulding the future by smelting the past into a jolly good yarn! Go, Mayor!
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
etc, etc, etc, Sat Oct 5 02:17:02 2002
Moreover, I think we ought to move ahead in inches rather than great strides. We should be able to low-key it for a while so as to reduce expenditure to a mininum so, army navy and air force could be left until a later page. The main income would be turbo rents or swish tax: as the blades turn, they 'swish': we charge 0.0005 Euro's per swish. I don't quite get the concept of a (coherent) non-denominational currency but, from a fiscal standpoint, it seems to me that, should it prevail, most visitors will be arriving by preference on night flights, when the airport is saving on electric light and less frequented. Exciting stuff when you think on.
I would also outpoint that the discussion of an anthem does not of itself exclude other discussable itemry. Being nascent and all that, the whole caboodle is still up for delineation, including the bailiwick of the office of Mayor and other functionorial stuff, not excluding the Foreign Sec spot, presently occupied with a good lookin' chap but a bit far away. Yes, I realise that, on a global channel linked by the internet, the 'far away' term, indeed, the concept itself can be deemed questionable. But it's my knock-off time so, as was said by some daily scribbler before, to bed.
....& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendles, Fri Oct 4 03:28:13 2002
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jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., Vendles, Thu Oct 3 21:59:01 2002
A general noticed one of his soldiers behaving oddly. The soldier would pick up any piece of paper he found, frown and say: “That's not it” and put it down again. This went on for some time, until the general arranged to have the soldier psychologically tested. The psychologist concluded that the soldier was deranged, and wrote out his discharge from the army. The soldier picked it up, smiled and said: “That's it.”
BinggKrozbi <laugh@all.net>
NordRhein WestKrozbi, .., .., Thu Oct 3 14:32:16 2002
... & God bless
* When I was sitting in on weather briefings years ago, the met officer would tell of today's 'contrail levels', being, for instance, from 25 to 27, so approximately from 25,000 to 27,000 feet: This meant that as our then front line Hunters would come tooling down through that band, the pilot could, that day, expect his position to be given away at that moment. The effect is as a turning on, or off, as the contrail-favouring circumstances are entered or left behind. I can imagine that most traffic over Liverpool, namely, flights descending into Manchester or on their climbout, would be going through those sorts of altitudes, more or less as they cross our coastline. Just a thought anyway.
Ciaou!
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Mon Sep 30 22:23:16 2002
Now, I feel there is bone picking scheduled for the 'Burbo Ruling Gentry' phrase. I accepted the Burbo Foreign Affairs Portfolio on the understanding that we have a 'Republic of Burbo' all nascent and new. Just as once before when a dominant Burbo religion was bruited about, so also in this case too I would energetically reject any breath of a 'ruling gentry', ungentry or indeed, any ruling caste/elite/cronies per se. I see Burbo, surely susceptible to all the ills that flesh is heir to, as something of a model of what can be done if founding principles, admittedly but latent in the word 'republic' but as yet unspelled out, are maintained as our guiding guide, as it were. 'No to ruling gentry then' would be my reaction there altogether. If, on the other hand, someone figures there are unsaid things to be said about that, then I am willing to upgive the Foreign Affairs portfolio but not before the next Ministerial Complimentary Bavslice Conference. I shall campaign thereafter for the position of "member of Burbo's Latin American desk".
End of PtI.
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Mon Sep 30 22:15:35 2002
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, ,, Vendles, Mon Sep 30 00:23:25 2002
Disguise is of the essence so true anarchist members are urged to look non-Descript and wear forgettable glasses, such as the metal-rimmed 'Strelnikov' model, on sale at all good anarchist film library outlets. Moreover, regardless of how awkward or out-of-character members may feel, they should try to act like persons when in public or Plotting with Colleagues (especially One-Eyed Helga, played by Kristin Scott Thomas with a dirty hankey)
Eat this posting before or after committing it to the trashcan, wastebasket, pubelle, rubbish bin, Abfalleimer, or basurero, depending on the location of your current railway-station waiting room.
Gavril on Principle <shootferst@any1.edu>
SaraCrosby, <, FineGround, Fri Sep 27 16:45:12 2002
Gavrilo on Principle <shoot ferst@any1.edu>
SaraCrosby, ´´´´, HigLowAnyGround, Thu Sep 26 20:01:33 2002
Why are you in York?
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, Amsterdam, , Thu Sep 26 14:51:38 2002
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <<, Vendles, Wed Sep 25 20:05:33 2002
If you wish to make a difference, you ought too to tighten up your argument, distance it from what comes over as ritually self-righteous and jingoistic Yank-bashing and rid it, among other things, of animals such as 'credible pretexts' --Yer wha'?
To the NittyGritty: I shall be among the first in line for those BavSlices. In fact, since I will have to catch a plane back to Caracas immediately after the final slurp, I am generating a case for foiling white feather ladies by being way out at the front. Maybe I could wangle an extra one for the journey, to be solemnly and respectfully partaken of just as the aircraft is banking, Liverpool-managed turbines awhine, to set course in its initial climb to cruise altitude for the transatlantic leg, over The Great Burbo Bank.
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <<, Vendles, Wed Sep 25 15:26:30 2002
The U.S. has the largest nuclear arsenal--more than 6,000 nuclear missiles and bombs. It has spent trillion on nuclear weapons since 1945. When it had a monopoly on these weapons it did not hesitate to use them against civilian centers--up to 200,000 civilians were instantly incinerated in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.
Bush is spending hundreds of billions on militarizing outer space. The recently-released Pentagon military doctrine includes a declaration of its right to first use of nuclear weapons against Iraq, north Korea, Iran, China and Russia. The U.S. has Trident submarines and U.S. aircraft carriers carrying nuclear weapons 24 hours a day as the imperial fleet roams the seven seas.
The U.S. government used chemical weapons in Vietnam, spraying Agent Orange over vast parts of that country. Thousands of U.S. GIs and an unknown number of Vietnamese people died, or live difficult and painful lives from the after-effects.
Today, the U.S. government manufactures chemical and biological weapons, a fact that was routinely denied and only admitted after the anthrax attacks of 2001.
And the U.S. government--led by both Democrats and Republicans--has knowingly and deliberately killed more than 1 million Iraqi civilians through the quieter, less dramatic weapon known as economic sanctions. This weapon that has killed 5,000 children every month for 12 years must be regarded as a weapon of mass destruction.
It's time for anti-war activists to begin going to U.S. military bases and demanding to see if they have weapons of mass destruction on their premises, including chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, and depleted uranium...
Name:Not in my name <>
, , Country: The High Ground, Wed Sep 25 12:51:44 2002
Working people in the United States, and especially the youth, must be able to learn the real causes for the coming conflict and learn how to respond to the Pentagon's lies. Otherwise people will be susceptible to the pro-war hype and frenzy that are being cynically generated to prepare public opinion for war.
The main argument used by the White House to scare up support for an invasion is that "Saddam Hussein must be prevented from acquiring or developing chemical, biological or nuclear weapons--a.k.a. weapons of mass destruction."
The White House has focused on this bogus argument because it has no other. Every effort was made to connect Iraq to the Sept. 11 attack and later to the anthrax attacks in the autumn of 2001.
But there was no evidence of a connection, so Bush simply broadened the scope of the "war on terrorism" by proclaiming that Iraq, Iran, north Korea and other "evil" countries would be considered terrorist and subject to preemptive military attacks.
What made them terrorists? Bush said they were "trying to acquire weapons of mass destruction."
Iraq certainly did possess and use chemical weapons in the 1980s. Both Iraq and Iran used such weapons against each other in that brutal and reactionary war. But these weapons were not "frightening" to the U.S. at the time of their use.
Donald Rumsfeld, the current secretary of defense, was meeting in Baghdad with Saddam Hussein and other Iraqi leaders in December 1983 and March 1984, and improving U.S.-Iraqi relations on behalf of the Reagan administration when the allegations concerning chemical weapons surfaced. But this was when the U.S. was encouraging Iraq's war effort as part of a strategy to weaken and exhaust the Iranian Revolution.
During the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq did not use chemical or non-conventional weapons, but the U.S. DID. It dropped tons of depleted uranium weapons all over Iraq....
Name:Not in my name <>
, , Country: The High Ground, Wed Sep 25 12:49:32 2002
In 1990 at least four war games directed at Iraq, some premised on an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, were conducted before the invasion occurred. One of the flrst, a computer exercise called Internal Look, was held in January, and by June, Schwarzkopf was conducting sophisticated war games pitting thousands of U.S. troops against armored divisions of the Republican Guard.
In May 1990 the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a Washington-based think tank, had completed a study begun two years earlier predicting the outcome of a war between the United States and Iraq. This study, according to the CSIS's Major James Blackwell (Retired), was widely circulated among Pentagon officials, members of Congress, and military contractors. Thus, far from being a surprise, Iraq's invasion of Kuwait had actually been the scenario for intense U.S. planning.
One would think from all this planning that Iraq posed a grave threat. But Iraq was struggling to recover from eight years of war. Following the ceaseflre with Iran, Saddam Hussein announced a 0 billion plan to peacefully rebuild his country. According to "Iraqi Power and U.S. Security in the Middle East," a study issued in early 1990 by the Strategic Studies Institute of the U.S. Army War College:
"Baghdad should not be expected to deliberately provoke military confrontations with anyone. Its interests are best served now and in the immediate future by peace.... Revenues from oil sales could put it in the front ranks of nations economically. A stable Middle East is conducive to selling oil disruption has a long-range adverse effect on the oil market which would hurt Iraq.... Force is only likely if the Iraqis feel seriously threatened. It is our belief that Iraq is basically committed to a nonaggressive strategy, and that it will, over the course of the next few years, considerably reduce the size of its military. Economic conditions practically mandate such action.... There seems no doubt that Iraq would like to demobilize now that the war has ended."
It was not Iraq but powerful forces in the United States that wanted a new war in the Middle East: the Pentagon, to maintain its tremendous budget; the military-industrial complex, with its dependence on Middle East arms sales and domestic military contracts; the oil companies, which wanted more control over the price of crude oil and greater profits; and the Bush administration, which saw in the Soviet Union's disintegration its chance to establish a permanent military presence in the Middle East, securing the region and achieving vast geopolitical power into the next century through control of its oil resources. The Pentagon's challenge was to figure out what would force Iraq, a country more interested in rebuilding than expansion, to take some action that would justify U.S. military intervention. In order to create such a crisis, the Pentagon invoked its special relationship with the Kuwaiti royal family....
from "The Fire This Time" by Ramsey Clark, [LBJ's Attorney General]
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Wed Sep 25 02:00:38 2002
In May 1990 the National Security Council presented a white paper to President Bush(pere) describing Iraq and Saddam Hussein as "the optimum contenders to replace the Warsaw Pact" as the rationale for continued Cold War-level military spending.... [John Pilger, quoted by Ramsey Clark, LBJ's Attorney General]
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Wed Sep 25 01:47:36 2002
Then we can go to war against Pakistan, India, North Korea, and if we get that far then Russia and China will surely be a pushover....
Dupes of the Zionists, (as per usual) <>
, , , Wed Sep 25 00:56:47 2002
"Britain- This week, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw accused the Iraqis of being `duplicitous.' That's a five dollar word that means two-faced. Talk about the kettle calling the pot black. The British invented duplicity. In fact, double-dealing British imperialists created many of the world's chronic problems. Thank the Brits for Palestine and Israel; Belfast; India, Pakistan, and Kashmir; Iraq; and the mess in Africa. London is determined to grab a share of Iraq's oil once Saddam is overthrown. That's why Tony Blair, known far and wide as `Bush's poodle,' is barking so loudly."
While some may feel that Tony has earned the sobriquet, the whole idea that a claimed, albeit quite specious, British copyright on duplicity disqualifies modern day Brits from criticising it in third parties is a non-sequitur of the crassest. Madman, old chap, given there are many serious flaws in UN Iraq policy and American foreign policy, can you not do better than this Margulis charlie? Come now!
As for Martin Luther King's comment about the US as the biggest purveyor of violence: is this news? After all, the US is the biggest purveyor of most things, regardless of any particular moral backdrop one or other of us would perceive on a case by case basis. The US is economically the biggest everything. That's not their fault: they have a huge, open society and are a country run, or professedly run, on a series of principles that aren't 'American' either but lifted from classical deistic ideas and certain perceptions of freedom and people, none perfect but always in lively public discussion and open to improvement.
If you want to be anti-American, read the US newspapers. There are few rationally anti-American writers, as opposed to certain irrational hacks abroad, than the ones criticising the Bush régime from the podia offered by The New York Times and other papers. You may compare that to the availbility of anti-regime vehicles available to Saddam opponents in Iraq.
In other words, Madman, my good fellow, if you want to knock the Yanks, do a proper job instead of resorting to jingoistic tripe. And now that I mention it, TCC has plenty of room for (light-hearted) tripe and, as Babs has outpointed, it even has a sort of cyber-tradition along those lines: Forsake Margulis! Feel the Freedom! Ah! Sniff that breeze! And is there honey still for tea?
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Tue Sep 24 15:42:05 2002
"This week, we also learned from UN sources in Iraq that the recent `precision' bombing of defenseless Iraq destroyed at least thirteen schools, an important food storehouse, and the municipal water system of Baghdad's Karrada suburb, leaving 300,000 people without clean drinking water. During the 1991 Gulf War, US bombing wrecked Baghdad's water and sewage systems, creating a grave health crisis for millions of Iraqi civilians." --Eric Margolis in his column It's Time to Put Away the Big Stick 1999
"More than one million Iraqis have died- 567,000 of them children -as a direct consequence of economic sanctions... As many as 12% of the children surveyed in Baghdad are wasted, 28% stunted and 29% underweight." --UN FAO, December 1995.
The crimes against Iraqi civilians are committed in full day-light, with the blessing of the ruling "civilized nations" and with the tacit support of the educated classes in these nations. Those who keep silent and are legally able to speak up, are morally accomplices to this crime." -- Elias Davidsson, Musician and a Palestinian Jew
"the greatest purveyor of violence on earth is my own country." --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
A. Madman <thewhitehouse@amerika.gov>
Washington, , , Tue Sep 24 02:02:07 2002
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <<, Vendles, Mon Sep 23 21:07:41 2002
Such substitute institutions and hypotheses must meet varying criteria. In general, they must be technically feasible, politically acceptable, and potentially credible to the members of the societies that adopt them. Specifically, they must be characterized as follows:
1. Economic. An acceptable economic surrogate for the war system will require the expenditure of resources for completely nonproductive purposes at a level comparable to that of the military expenditures otherwise demanded by the size and complexity of each society. Such a substitute system of apparent "waste" must be of a nature that will permit it to remain independent of the normal supply-demand economy; it must be subject to arbitrary political control.
2. Political. A viable political substitute for war must posit a generalized external menace to each society of a nature and degree sufficient to require the organization and acceptance of political authority.
3. Sociological. First, in the permanent absence of war, new institutions must be developed that will effectively control the socially destructive segments of societies. Second, for purposes of adapting the physical and psychological dynamics of human behavior to the needs of social organization, a credible substitute for war must generate an omnipresent and readily understood fear of personal destruction. This fear must be of a nature and degree sufficient to ensure adherence to societal values to the full extent that they are acknowledged to transcend the value of an individual human life.
4. Ecological. A substitute for war in its function as the uniquely human system of population control must ensure the survival, if not necessarily the improvement, of the species, in terms of its relation to environmental supply.
5. Cultural and Scientific. A surrogate for the function of war as the determinant of cultural values must establish a basis of sociomoral conflict of equally compelling force and scope. A substitute motivational basis for the quest for scientific knowledge must be similarly informed by a comparable sense of internal necessity.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Mon Sep 23 00:21:00 2002
Economic analyses of the anticipated problems of transition to peace have not recognized the broad preeminence of war in the definition of social systems. The same is true, with rare and only partial exceptions, of model disarmament "scenarios." For this reason, the value of this previous work is limited to the mechanical aspects of transition. Certain features of these models may perhaps be applicable to a real situation of conversion to peace; this will depend on their compatibility with a substantive, rather than a procedural, peace plan. Such a plan can be developed only from the premise of full understanding of the nature of the war system it proposes to abolish, which in turn presupposes detailed comprehension of the functions the war system performs for society. It will require the construction of a detailed and feasible system of substitutes for those functions that are necessary to the stability and survival of human societies.
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Sun Sep 22 15:42:05 2002
1. Economic. War has provided both ancient and modern societies with a dependable system for stabilizing and controlling national economies. No alternate method of control has yet been tested in a complex modern economy that has shown itself remotely comparable in scope or effectiveness.
2. Political. The permanent possibility of war is the foundation for stable government; it supplies the basis for general acceptance of political authority. It has enabled societies to maintain necessary class distinctions, and it has ensured the subordination of the citizen to the state, by virtue of the residual war powers inherent in the concept of nationhood. No modern political ruling group has successfully controlled its constituency after failing to sustain the continuing credibility of an external threat of war.
3. Sociological. War, through the medium of military institutions, has uniquely served societies, throughout the course of known history, as an indispensable controller of dangerous social dissidence and destructive antisocial tendencies. As the most formidable of threats to life itself, and as the only one susceptible to mitigation by social organization alone, it has played another equally fundamental role: the war system has provided the machinery through which the motivational forces governing human behavior have been translated into binding social allegiance. It has thus ensured the degree of social cohesion necessary to the viability of nations. No other institution, or group of institutions, in modern societies, has successfully served these functions.
4. Ecological. War has been the principal evolutionary device for maintaining a satisfactory ecological balance between gross human population and supplies available for its survival. It is unique to the human species.
5. Cultural and Scientific. War-orientation has determined the basic standards of value in the creative arts, and has provided the fundamental motivational source of scientific and technological progress. The concepts that the arts express values independent of their own forms and that the successful pursuit of knowledge has intrinsic social value have long been accepted in modern societies; the development of the arts and sciences during this period has been corollary to the parallel development of weaponry.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Sun Sep 22 15:41:30 2002
Any other good oxymorons?
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <, Vendles, Sat Sep 21 22:26:00 2002
Since the eugenic solution cannot be achieved until the transition to the peace system takes place, why not wait? One must qualify the inclination to agree. As we noted earlier, a real possibility of an unprecedented global crisis of insufficiency exists today, which the war system may not be able to forestall. If this should come to pass before an agreed-upon transition to peace were completed, the result might be irrevocably disastrous. There is clearly no solution to this dilemma; it is a risk which must be taken. But it tends to support the view that if a decision is made to eliminate the war system, it were better done sooner than later.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Sat Sep 21 02:02:43 2002
It must be remembered that the limitation of war in this function is entirely eugenic. War has not been genetically progressive. But as a system of gross population control to preserve the species it cannot fairly be faulted. And, as has been pointed out, the nature of war is itself in transition. Current trends in warfare - the increased strategic bombing of civilians and the greater military importance now attached to the destruction of sources of supply (as opposed to purely "military" bases and personnel) - strongly suggest that a truly qualitative improvement is in the making. Assuming the war system is to continue, it is more than probable that the regressively selective quality of war will have been reversed, as its victims become more genetically representative of their societies.
There is no question but that a universal requirement that procreation be limited to the products of artificial insemination would provide a fully adequate substitute control for population levels. Such a reproductive system would, of course, have the added advantage of being susceptible of direct eugenic management. Its predictable further development - conception and embryonic growth taking place wholly under laboratory conditions - would extend these controls to their logical conclusion. The ecological function of war under these circumstances would not only be superseded but surpassed in effectiveness.
The indicated intermediate step - total control of conception with a variant of the ubiquitous "pill," via water supplies or certain essential foodstuffs, offset by a controlled "antidote" - is already under development. There would appear to be no foreseeable need to revert to any of the outmoded practices referred to in the previous section (infanticide, etc.) as there might have been if the possibility of transition to peace had arisen two generations ago.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Fri Sep 20 23:53:18 2002
It is also possible that the two functions considered under this heading may be jointly served, in the sense of establishing the antisocial, for whom a control institution is needed, as the "alternate enemy" needed to hold society together. The relentless and irreversible advance of unemployability at all levels of society, and the similar extension of generalized alienation from accepted values may make some such program necessary even as an adjunct to the war system. As before, we will not speculate on the specific forms this kind of program might take, except to note that there is again ample precedent, in the treatment meted out to disfavored, allegedly menacing, ethnic groups in certain societies during historical periods.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Fri Sep 20 12:44:48 2002
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, ,,, .., Fri Sep 20 01:58:42 2002
When it comes to postulating a credible substitute for war capable of directing human behavior patterns in behalf of social organization, few options suggest themselves. Like its political function, the motivational function of war requires the existence of a genuinely menacing social enemy. The principal difference is that for purposes of motivating basic allegiance, as distinct from accepting political authority, the "alternate enemy" must imply a more immediate, tangible, and directly felt threat of destruction. It must justify the need for taking and paying a "blood price" in wide areas of human concern.
In this respect, the possible substitute enemies noted earlier would be insufficient. One exception might be the environmental-pollution model, if the danger to society it posed was genuinely imminent. The fictive models would have to carry the weight of extraordinary conviction, underscored with a not inconsiderable actual sacrifice of life; the construction of an up-to-date mythological or religious structure for this purpose would present difficulties in our era, but must certainly be considered.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Thu Sep 19 23:41:53 2002
Most proposals that address themselves, explicitly or otherwise, to the postwar problem of controlling the socially alienated turn to some variant of the Peace Corps or the so-called Job Corps for a solution. The socially disaffected, the economically unprepared, the psychologically unconformable, the hard-core "delinquents," the incorrigible "subversives," and the rest of the unemployable are seen as somehow transformed by the disciplines of a service modeled on military precedent into more or less dedicated social service workers. This presumption also informs the otherwise hardheaded ratiocination of the "Unarmed Forces" plan.
The problem has been addressed, in the language of popular sociology, by Secretary McNamara. "Even in our abundant societies, we have reason enough to worry over the tensions that coil and tighten among underprivileged young people, and finally flail out in delinquency and crime. What are we to expect ... where mounting frustrations are likely to fester into eruptions of violence and extremism?" In a seemingly unrelated passage, he continues:
"It seems to me that we could move toward remedying that inequity [of the Selective Service System] by asking every young person in the United States to give two years of service to his country - whether in one of the military services, in the Peace Corps, or in some other volunteer developmental work at home or abroad. We could encourage other countries to do the same."
Here, as elsewhere throughout this significant speech, Mr. McNamara has focused, indirectly but unmistakably, on one of the key issues bearing on a possible transition to peace, and has later indicated, also indirectly, a rough approach to its resolution, again phrased in the language of the current war system.
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
T, , , Thu Sep 19 22:10:23 2002
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Thu Sep 19 19:31:12 2002
Nevertheless, an effective political substitute for war would require "alternate enemies," some of which might seem equally farfetched in the context of the current war system. It may be, for instance, that gross pollution of the environment can eventually replace the possibility of mass destruction by nuclear weapons as the principal apparent threat to the survival of the species. Poisoning of the air, and of the principal sources of food and water supply, is already well advanced, and at first glance would seem promising in this respect; it constitutes a threat that can be dealt with only through social organization and political power. But from present indications it will be a generation to a generation and a half before environmental pollution, however severe, will be sufficiently menacing, on a global scale, to offer a possible basis for a solution.
It is true that the rate of pollution could be increased selectively for this purpose; in fact, the mere modifying of existing programs for the deterrence of pollution could speed up the process enough to make the threat credible much sooner. But the pollution problem has been so widely publicized in recent years that it seems highly improbable that a program of deliberate environmental poisoning could be implemented in a politically acceptable manner.
However unlikely some of the possible alternate enemies we have mentioned may seem, we must emphasize that one must be found, of credible quality and magnitude, if a transition to peace is ever to come about without social disintegration. It is more probable, in our judgment, that such a threat will have to be invented, rather than developed from unknown conditions. For this reason, we believe further speculation about its putative nature ill-advised in this context. Since there is considerable doubt, in our minds, that any viable political surrogate can be devised, we are reluctant to compromise, by premature discussion, any possible option that may eventually lie open to our government.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Thu Sep 19 19:18:24 2002
We have already pointed out that the end of war means the end of national sovereignty, and thus the end of nationhood as we know it today. But this does not necessarily mean the end of nations in the administrative sense, and internal political power will remain essential to a stable society. The emerging "nations" of the peace epoch must continue to draw political authority from some source.
A number of proposals have been made governing the relations between nations after total disarmament; all are basically juridical in nature. They contemplate institutions more or less like a World Court, or a United Nations, but vested with real authority. They may or may not serve their ostensible postmilitary purpose of settling international disputes, but we need not discuss that here. None would offer effective external pressure on a peace-world nation to organize itself politically.
It might be argued that a well-armed international police force, operating under the authority of such a supranational "court," could well serve the function of external enemy. This, however, would constitute a military operation, like the inspection schemes mentioned, and, like them, would be inconsistent with the premise of an end to the war system. It is possible that a variant of the "Unarmed Forces" idea might be developed in such a way that its "constructive" (i.e., social welfare) activities could be combined with an economic "threat" of sufficient size and credibility to warrant political organization. Would this kind of threat also be contradictory to our central premise? - that is, would it be inevitably military? Not necessarily, in our view, but we are skeptical of its capacity to evoke credibility. Also, the obvious destabilizing effect of any global social welfare surrogate on politically necessary class relationships would create an entirely new set of transition problems at least equal in magnitude.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Thu Sep 19 18:46:37 2002
In this section we will consider some possible substitutes for these functions. Only in rare instances have they been put forth for the purposes which concern us here, but we see no reason to limit ourselves to proposals that address themselves explicitly to the problem as we have outlined it. We will disregard the ostensible, or military, functions of war; it is a premise of this study that the transition to peace implies absolutely that they will no longer exist in any relevant sense. We will also disregard the noncritical functions exemplified at the end of the preceding section.
Economic surrogates for war must meet two principal criteria. They must be "wasteful," in the common sense of the word, and they must operate outside the normal supply-demand system. A corollary that should be obvious is that the magnitude of the waste must be sufficient to meet the needs of a particular society. An economy as advanced and complex as our own requires the planned average annual destruction of not less than 10 percent of gross national product if it is effectively to fulfill its stabilizing function. When the mass of a balance wheel is inadequate to the power it is intended to control, its effect can be self-defeating, as with a runaway locomotive. The analogy, though crude, is especially apt for the American economy, as our record of cyclical depressions shows. All have taken place during periods of grossly inadequate military spending.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Thu Sep 19 01:16:36 2002
War as a general social release. This is a psychosocial function, serving the same purpose for a society as do the holiday, the celebration, and the orgy for the individual - the release and redistribution of undifferentiated tensions. War provides for the periodic necessary readjustment of standards of social behavior (the "moral climate") and for the dissipation of general boredom, one of the most consistently undervalued and unrecognized of social phenomena.
War as a generational stabilizer. This psychological function, served by other behavior patterns in other animals, enables the physically deteriorating older generation to maintain its control of the younger, destroying it if necessary.
War as an ideological clarifier. The dualism that characterizes the traditional dialectic of all branches of philosophy and of stable political relationships stems from war as the prototype of conflict. Except for secondary considerations, there cannot be, to put it as simply as possible, more than two sides to a question because there cannot be more than two sides to a war.
War as the basis for international understanding. Before the development of modern communications, the strategic requirements of war provided the only substantial incentive for the enrichment of one national culture with the achievements of another. Although this is still the case in many international relationships, the function is obsolescent.
We have also foregone extended characterization of those functions we assume to be widely and explicitly recognized. An obvious example is the role of war as controller of the quality and degree of unemployment. This is more than an economic and political subfunction; its sociological, cultural, and ecological aspects are also important, although often teleonomic. But none affect the general problem of substitution. The same is true of certain other functions; those we have included are sufficient to the scope of the problem.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Wed Sep 18 12:01:29 2002
In general, the war system provides the basic motivation for primary social organization. In so doing, it reflects on the societal level the incentives of individual human behavior. The most important of these, for social purposes, is the individual psychological rationale for allegiance to a society and its values. Allegiance requires a cause; a cause requires an enemy. This much is obvious; the critical point is that the enemy that defines the cause must seem genuinely formidable. Roughly speaking, the presumed power of the "enemy" sufficient to warrant an individual sense of allegiance to a society must be proportionate to the size and complexity of the society. Today, of course, that power must be one of unprecedented magnitude and frightfulness.
It follows, from the patterns of human behavior, that the credibility of a social "enemy" demands similarly a readiness of response in proportion to its menace. In a broad social context, "an eye for an eye" still characterizes the only acceptable attitude toward a presumed threat of aggression, despite contrary religious and moral precepts governing personal conduct. The remoteness of personal decision from social consequence in a modern society makes it easy for its members to maintain this attitude without being aware of it. A recent example is the war in Vietnam; a less recent one was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In each case, the extent and gratuitousness of the slaughter were abstracted into political formulae by most Americans, once the proposition that the victims were "enemies" was established. The war system makes such an abstracted response possible in nonmilitary contexts as well. A conventional example of this mechanism is the inability of most people to connect, let us say, the starvation of millions in India with their own past conscious political decision-making. Yet the sequential logic linking a decision to restrict grain production in America with an eventual famine in Asia is obvious, unambiguous, and unconcealed.
What gives the war system its preeminent role in social organization, as elsewhere, is its unmatched authority over life and death. It must be emphasized again that the war system is not a mere social extension of the presumed need for individual human violence, but itself in turn serves to rationalize most nonmilitary killing. It also provides the precedent for collective willingness of members of a society to pay a blood price for institutions far less central to social organization than war. To take a handy example, "... rather than accept speed limits of twenty miles an hour we prefer to let automobiles kill forty thousand people a year." A Rand analyst puts it in more general terms and less rhetorically: "I am sure that there is, in effect, a desirable level of automobile accidents - desirable, that is, from a broad point of view; in the sense that it is a necessary concomitant of things of greater value to society." The point may seem too obvious for iteration, but is essential to an understanding of the important motivational function of war as a model for collective sacrifice.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Wed Sep 18 00:13:31 2002
Although it cannot be said absolutely that such critical measures of social control as the draft require a military rationale, no modern society has yet been willing to risk experimentation with any other kind. Even during such periods of comparatively simple social crisis as the so-called Great Depression of the 1930s, it was deemed prudent by the government to invest minor make-work projects, like "Civilian" Conservation Corps, with a military character, and to place the more ambitious National Recovery Administration under the direction of a professional army officer at its inception. Today, at least one small Northern European country, plagued with uncontrollable unrest among its "alienated youth," is considering the expansion of its armed forces, despite the problem of making credible the expansion of a non-existent external threat.
Sporadic efforts have been made to promote general recognition of broad national values free of military connotation, but they have been ineffective. For example, to enlist public support of even such modest programs of social adjustment as "fighting inflation" or "maintaining physical fitness" it has been necessary for the government to utilize a patriotic (i.e., military) incentive. It sells "defense" bonds and it equates health with military preparedness. This is not surprising; since the concept of "nationhood" implies readiness for war, a "national" program must do likewise.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Tue Sep 17 22:29:38 2002
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Tue Sep 17 20:00:37 2002
...... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Tue Sep 17 18:54:10 2002
This system and its analogues elsewhere furnish remarkably clear examples of disguised military utility. Informed persons in this country have never accepted the official rationale for a peacetime draft - military necessity, preparedness, etc. - as worthy of serious consideration. But what has gained credence among thoughtful men is the rarely voiced, less easily refuted, proposition that the institution of military service has a "patriotic" priority in our society that must be maintained for its own sake. Ironically, the simplistic official justification for selective service comes closer to the mark, once the nonmilitary functions of military institutions are understood. As a control device over the hostile, nihilistic, and potentially unsettling elements of a society in transition, the draft can again be defended, and quite convincingly, as a "military" necessity.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Tue Sep 17 17:49:22 2002
Dear Frank, The form of words isn't important. Orally, I usually get "Hey ,you!" so any improvement is welcome. Shillings for the meter: that takes one back a bit, eh? Did you guys ever play 'Knock Down Sally', using twigs aginst a city street wall to be knocked down with marbles or pebbles?
Dear Bonnie, Do you post as 'the dog' to apprise us of your canine nature per se or to distinguish yourself from some third-party non-dog Bonnie, possibly known in the UK but certainly not here in Caracas? What other non-dog Bonnies are there apart from the Bedelia birdle? Do tell.
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Tue Sep 17 17:19:30 2002
Another secondary ecological trend bearing on projected population growth is the regressive effect of certain medical advances. Pestilence, for example, is no longer an important factor in population control. The problem of increased life expectancy has been aggravated. These advances also pose a potentially more sinister problem, in that undesirable genetic traits that were formally self-liquidating are now medically maintained. Many diseases that were once fatal at preprocreational ages are now cured; the effect of this development is to perpetuate undesirable susceptibilities and mutations. It seems clear that a new quasi-eugenic function of war is now in process of formation that will have to be taken into account in any transition plan. For the time being, the Department of Defense appears to have recognized such factors, as has been demonstrated by the planning under way by the Rand Corporation to cope with the breakdown in the ecological balance anticipated after a thermonuclear war. The Department has also begun to stockpile birds, for example, against the expected proliferation of radiation-resistant insects, etc.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Tue Sep 17 11:47:12 2002
But as the polemologist Gaston Bouthoul has pointed out, other institutions that were developed to serve this ecological function have proved even less satisfactory. (They such established forms as these: infanticide, practiced chiefly in ancient and primitive societies; sexual mutilation; monasticism; forced emigration; extensive capital punishment, as in old China and eighteenth-century England; and other similar, usually localized, practices.)
Man's ability to increase his productivity of the essentials of physical life suggests that the need for protection against cyclical famine may be nearly obsolete. It has thus tended to reduce the apparent importance of the basic ecological function of war, which is generally disregarded by peace theorists. Two aspects of it remain especially relevant, however. The first is obvious: current rates of population growth, compounded by environmental threat of chemical and other contaminants, may well bring about a new crisis of insufficiency. If so, it is likely to be one of unprecedented global magnitude, not merely regional or temporary. Conventional methods of warfare would almost surely prove inadequate, in this event, to reduce the consuming population to a level consistent with survival of the species.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Tue Sep 17 11:41:59 2002
Man, like all other animals, is subject to the continuing process of adapting to the limitations of his environment. But the principal mechanism he has utilized for this purpose is unique among living creatures. To forestall the inevitable historical cycles of inadequate food supply, post-Neolithic man destroys surplus members of his own species by organized warfare.
Ethologists have often observed that the organized slaughter of members of their own species is virtually unknown among other animals. Man's special propensity to kill his own kind (shared to a limited degree with rats) may be attributed to his inability to adapt anachronistic patterns of survival (like primitive hunting) to his development of "civilizations" in which these patterns cannot be effectively sublimated. It may be attributed to other causes that have been suggested, such as a maladapted "territorial instinct," etc. Nevertheless, it exists and its social expression in war constitutes a biological control of his relationship to his natural environment that is peculiar to man alone.
War has served to help assure the survival of the human species. But as an evolutionary device to improve it, war is almost unbelievably inefficient. With few exceptions, the selective processes of other living creatures promote both specific survival and genetic improvement. When a conventionally adaptive animal faces one of its periodic crises of insufficiency, it is the "inferior" members of the species that normally disappear. An animal's social response to such a crisis may take the form of a mass migration, during which the weak fall by the wayside. Or it may follow the dramatic and more efficient pattern of lemming societies, in which the weaker members voluntarily disperse, leaving available food supplies for the stronger. In either case, the strong survive and the weak fall. In human societies, those who fight and die in wars for survival are in general its biologically stronger members. This is natural selection in reverse.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Tue Sep 17 00:52:52 2002
In advanced modern democratic societies, the war system has provided political leaders with another political-economic function of increasing importance: it has served as the last great safeguard against the elimination of necessary social classes. As economic productivity increases to a level further and further above that of minimum subsistence, it becomes more and more difficult for a society to maintain distribution patterns insuring the existence of "hewers of wood and drawers of water." The further progress of automation can be expected to differentiate still more sharply between "superior" workers and what Ricardo called "menials," while simultaneously aggravating the problem of maintaining an unskilled labor supply.
The arbitrary nature of war expenditures and of other military activities make them ideally suited to control these essential class relationships. Obviously, if the war system were to be discarded, new political machinery would be needed at once to serve this vital subfunction. Until it is developed, the continuance of the war system must be assured, if for no other reason, among others, than to preserve whatever quality and degree of poverty a society requires as an incentive, as well as to maintain the stability of its internal organization of power.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Mon Sep 16 23:38:42 2002
jess like you limey lemmings!!
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Mon Sep 16 22:50:27 2002
jess like you limey lemmings!!
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Mon Sep 16 22:50:07 2002
The political functions of war have been up to now even more critical to social stability. It is not surprising, nevertheless, that discussions of economic conversion for peace tend to fall silent on the matter of political implementation, and that disarmament scenarios, often sophisticated in their weighing of international political factors, tend to disregard the political functions of the war system within individual societies.
These functions are essentially organizational. First of all, the existence of a society as a political "nation" requires as part of its definition an attitude of relationship toward other "nations." This is what we usually call a foreign policy. But a nation's foreign policy can have no substance if it lacks the means of enforcing its attitude toward other nations. It can do this in a credible manner only if it implies the threat of maximum political organization for this purpose - which is to say that it is organized to some degree for war. War, then, as we have defined it to all national activities that recognize the possibility of armed conflict, is itself the defining element of any nation's existence vis-a-vis any other nation. Since it is historically axiomatic that the existence of any form of weaponry insures its use, we have used the word "peace" as virtually synonymous with disarmament. By the same token, "war" is virtually synonymous with nationhood. The elimination of war implies the inevitable elimination of national sovereignty and the traditional nation-state.
The war system not only has been essential to the existence of nations as independent political entities, but has been equally indispensable to their stable internal political structure. Without it, no government has ever been able to obtain acquiescence in its "legitimacy," or right to rule its society. The possibility of war provides the sense of external necessity without which no government can long remain in power. The historical record reveals one instance after another where the failure of a regime to maintain the credibility of a war threat led to its dissolution, by the forces of private interest, of reactions to social injustice, or of other disintegrative elements. The organization of a society for the possibility of war is its principal political stabilizer. It is ironic that this primary function of war has been generally recognized by historians only where it has been expressly acknowledged - in the pirate societies of the great conquerors.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Mon Sep 16 21:51:27 2002
Although we do not imply that a substitute for war in the economy cannot be devised, no combination of techniques for controlling employment, production, and consumption has yet been tested that can remotely compare to it in effectiveness. It is, and has been, the essential economic stabilizer of modern societies.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Mon Sep 16 20:07:42 2002
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Mon Sep 16 19:43:20 2002
It should also be noted that war production has a dependable stimulation effect outside itself. Far from constituting a "wasteful" drain on the economy, war spending, considered pragmatically, has been a consistently positive factor in the rise of gross national product and of individual productivity. A former Secretary of the Army has carefully phrased it for public consumption thus: "If there is, as I suspect there is, a direct relation between the stimulus of large defense spending and a substantially increased rate of growth of gross national product, it quite simply follows that defense spending per se might be countenanced on economic grounds alone [emphasis added] as a stimulator of the national metabolism." Actually, the fundamental nonmilitary utility of war in the economy is far more widely acknowledged than the scarcity of such affirmations as that quoted above would suggest.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Mon Sep 16 18:48:45 2002
.... God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Mon Sep 16 18:47:39 2002
The principal economic function of war, in our view, is that it provides just such a flywheel. It is not to be confused in function with the the various forms of fiscal control, none of which directly engages vast numbers of men and units of production. It is not to be confused with massive government expenditures in social welfare programs; once initiated, such programs normally become integral parts of the general economy and are no longer subject to arbitrary control.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Mon Sep 16 18:45:48 2002
In the case of military "waste," there is indeed a larger social utility. It derives from the fact that the "wastefulness" of war production is exercised entirely outside the framework of the economy of supply and demand. As such, it provides the only critically large segment of the total economy that is subject to complete and arbitrary central control. If modern industrial societies can be defined as those which have developed the capacity to produce more than is required for their economic survival (regardless of the equities of distribution of goods within them), military spending can be said to furnish the only balance wheel with sufficient inertia to stabilize the advance of their economies. The fact that war is "wasteful" is what enables it to serve this function. And the faster the economy advances, the heavier this balance wheel must be.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Mon Sep 16 18:42:27 2002
Leckie railway up so high
Over Liverpool streets
Leckie railway in the sky
That's crackin!
Leckie railway linked the docks
FOr the dockers and the flocks
Of mucky kids
When their mas'd sent 'em packin!
Refrain:
Dallying down the Dingle
On the good old L.O.R.
Whether married or you're single
Or you'd come from near or far
Whether you wanted sands at Seaforth
Or a ship at Prince's Dock
The Pier Head or the Gladstone
Or you'd got a ring to hock
Y'took the train that flew without wings
Not a bus or a bike or a car
And then you'd surely realise
The Dockers' Umbrella... is a star!
And it goes on. Written by a local writer and musician for a musical last year. Gave me sleepless nights that one. Although it had a good rhythm and nice melody...
The Dockers' Umbrella <>
, , , Mon Sep 16 17:18:31 2002
Ol' General Turdgison, Class of 1959, East Point, touting specious argument, eruditely configured, would have us sign on for this 'War is the secret of a society's vitality, therefore, a warlike stance, confirmed with occasional sallies and raids plus a well defined 'Feindbild', is a sine qua non for any thriving society. By extension, its absence is the mark of a society in decadence and decline, a society at its most defeatable.' The argument presented, not for the first time, comes dressed in sheep's clothing, as part of a report on '... the feasibility and desirability of peace'. Blimey Days! It is excerpted, as it were, 'for war', though we get nowt of the report as a whole. Indeed, we are led to believe that this is it. There ain't no way nothin' else. In other words, we're given helf the story, guised as the whole story. Here we have a saying, 'No hay mentira mas grande que la media verdad', 'The biggest lie is the half truth'. Gee, Buck, old chap, if the thesis were irrevocably the case, then the most belligerant societies would be the most thrusting and advanced. The excerpts, presented as irrefutable fact, are actually an elaborate self fulfilling truth affair, generated because the writers are, probably unwittingly, culturally biassed and consequently, they lead themselves and others up a garden path entirely of their own fabrication, somehow justifying a war culture, which, we begin to suspect, was what they, being prisoners of their own cultural blinkerage, actually set out to do. The other detail of interest is that, if you accept the thesis put forward, you no longer have to think about owt. You can abdicate your responsibility for a series of things: with this absolutist conclusion, much of responsibility, moral, national, patriotic, personal etc is to all intents and purposes, resolved. Ah! Relief! On to less incommoding stuff then and blow all that about right and wrong and whether it's important. And, by the way, what was that sole untouchable tree in that garden affair? The knowledge of right and wrong or something wasn't it? Since Adam and Eve were upgrown at that point and acquiring the essence of our flwed humanity, I see no problem at all to reading this tree bit as "Mature people know the difference between right and wrong; those who don't are not mature".
Now, to the nittygrittiness: why all this exclusively Airstrip focussed attention? Who is going to put in a word for what came before and gave Airstrips time to arrive at all at all? Who is going to speak up for Railway Stations, e.g., á la Carnforth that gave us "Brief Encounter"; who is going to stand up for bus depots, á la Ribble in Crosby, engenderer of so much of the delightul early culture of what is finally emerging as one of the premier boroughs in the country, nay, the continent! Who is going to speak up for the Overhead Railway terminus at Gladstone Dock? Who remembers skiffle groups? Who remembers Lonny Donnegan? Who can tell Stork from Butter? These too are impactfully configured aspects of an imperfectly assembled Weltanschauung, dammitall and ought also to be adressed, 'To Occupier, or Other, as fitseen on the day or return unopened'. Or, as has been observed by the maturer youngsters, "'Tis a far happier state to see your garden through its flowers than its fallen leaves,...."
.... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Mon Sep 16 15:31:21 2002
Beginning with the development of iron and steel, and proceeding through the discoveries of the laws of motion and thermodynamics to the age of the atomic particle, the synthetic polymer, and the space capsule, no important scientific advance has not been at least indirectly initiated by an implicit requirement of weaponry. More prosaic examples the transistor radio (an outgrowth of military communications requirements), the assembly line (from Civil War firearms needs), the steel-frame building (from the steel battleship), the canal lock, and so on. A typical adaptation can be seen in a device as modest as the common lawnmower; it developed from the revolving scythe devised by Leonardo da Vinci to precede a horse-powered vehicle into enemy ranks.
The most direct relationship can be found in medical technology. The Vietnam war alone has led to spectacular improvements in amputation procedures, blood-handling techniques, and surgical logistics. It has stimulated new large-scale research on malaria and other tropical parasitic diseases; it is hard to estimate how long this work would otherwise have been delayed, despite its enormous nonmilitary importance to nearly half the world's population.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Mon Sep 16 00:26:19 2002
Of all the countless dichotomies invented by scholars to account for the major differences in art styles and cycles, only one has been consistently unambiguous in its application to a variety of forms and cultures. However it may be verbalized, the basic distinction is this: Is the work war-oriented or is it not? Among primitive peoples, the war dance is the most important art form. Elsewhere, literature, music, painting, sculpture, and architecture that has won lasting acceptance has invariably dealt with a theme of war, expressly or implicitly, and has expressed the centricity of war to society. The war in question may be national conflict, as in Shakespeare's plays, Beethoven's music, or Goya's paintings, or it may be reflected in the form of religious, social, or moral struggle, as in the work of Dante, Rembrandt, and Bach. Art that cannot be classified as war-oriented is usually described as "sterile," "decadent," and so on. Application of the "war standard" to works of art may often leave room for debate in individual cases, but there is no question of its role as the fundamental determinant of cultural values. Aesthetic and moral standards have a common anthropological origin, in the exaltation of bravery, the willingness to kill and risk death in tribal warfare.
It is also instructive to note that the character of a society's culture has borne a close relationship to its war-making potential, in the context of its times. It is no accident that the current(1966) "cultural explosion" in the United States is taking place during an era marked by an unusually rapid advance in weaponry. This relationship is more generally recognized than the literature on the subject would suggest. For example, many artists and writers are now beginning to express concern over the limited creative options they envisage in the warless world they think, or hope, may be soon upon us. They are currently preparing for this possibility by unprecedented experimentation with meaningless forms; their interest in recent years has been increasingly engaged by the abstract pattern, the gratuitous emotion, the random happening, and the unrelated sequence.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Mon Sep 16 00:25:03 2002
The existence of an accepted external menace, then, is essential to social cohesiveness as well as to the acceptance of political authority. The menace must be believable, it must be of a magnitude consistent with the complexity of the society threatened, and it must appear, at least, to affect the entire society.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Wed Sep 11 00:44:24 2002
The existence of an accepted external menace, then, is essential to social cohesiveness as well as to the acceptance of political authority. The menace must be believable, it must be of a magnitude consistent with the complexity of the society threatened, and it must appear, at least, to affect the entire society.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Wed Sep 11 00:44:16 2002
It must be emphasized that the precedence of a society's war-making potential over its other characteristics is not the result of the "threat" presumed to exist at any one time from other societies. This is the reverse of the basic situation; "threats" against the "national interest" are usually created or accelerated to meet the changing needs of the war system. Only in comparatively recent times has it been considered politically expedient to euphemize war budgets as "defense" requirements.
Wars are not "caused" by international conflicts of interest. Proper logical sequence would make it more often accurate to say that war-making societies require---and thus bring about---such conflicts. The capacity of a nation to make war expresses the greatest social power it can exercise; war-making, active or contemplated, is a matter of life and death on the greatest scale subject to social control. It should therefore hardly be surprising that the military institutions in each society claim its highest priorities.
A brief look at some defunct premodern societies is instructive. One of the most noteworthy features common to the larger, more complex, and more successful of ancient civilizations was their widespread use of the BLOOD SACRIFICE (qv Blair). If one were to limit consideration to those cultures whose regional hegemony was so complete that the prospect of "war" had become virtually inconceivable ---as was the case with several of the great pre-Columbian societies of the Western Hemisphere---it would be found that some form of ritual killing occupied a position of paramount social importance in each. Invariably, the ritual was invested with mythic or religious significance; as will all religious and totemic practice, however, the ritual masked a broader and more important social function.
In these societies, the blood sacrifice served the purpose of maintaining a vestigial "earnest" of the society's capability and willingness to make war-- i.e., kill and be killed---in the event that some mystical--i.e., unforeseen --circumstance were to give rise to the possibility. That the "earnest" was not an adequate substitute for genuine military organization when the unthinkable enemy, such as the Spanish conquistadores, actually appeared on the scene in no way negates the function of the ritual. It was primarily, if not exclusively, a symbolic reminder that war had once been the central organizing force of the society, and that this condition might recur.
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Wed Sep 11 00:39:06 2002
JJ, you ought to know better! Too many secrets by far. Support the public's right to know! And the 'secret glance'! Secret glance! What in the name of heaven is a workable secret glance! Do you give out secret sidelong instructions for it then? You have it all bumovertit, friend.
Thirteen Is Lucky <13@yahoo.com>
Crosby, \#define _CGI_HTTP_REFERER http://www.merseyworld.com/crosby-channel/guestbookadd.htm, God's Own, Tue Sep 10 23:13:26 2002
JJ, you ought to know better! Too many secrets by far. Support the public's right to know! And the 'secret glance'! Secret glance! What in the name of heaven is a workable secret glance! Do you give out secret sidelong instructions for it then? You have it all bumovertit, friend.
Thirteen Is Lucky <13@yahoo.com>
Crosby, \#define _CGI_HTTP_REFERER http://www.merseyworld.com/crosby-channel/guestbookadd.htm, God's Own, Tue Sep 10 17:58:27 2002
Gooooing to it, by numbers: ----Go, 1!
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Tue Sep 10 14:13:19 2002
Your fate was decided decades ago!!
Do you think "leaders" like Bush or Blair would get anywhere near to the top if they weren't groomed by the "Power Elite" to follow instructions...
Remember JFK? he made the mistake of believing he actually WAS the President....and paid the appropriate price for his conceit.
Since then, our "leaders" have proved more amenable to the realities of power - i.e. they recognise they don't have any power... WE have the POWER!!!
It was laid out to Johnson in 1966, and to every subsequent president.
"Lasting peace, while not theoretically impossibe, is probably unattainable; even if it could be achieved it would most certainly not be in the best interests of a stable society to achieve it.
"War fills certain functions essential to the stability of our society; until other ways of filling them are developed, the war system must be maintained - and improved in effectiveness. Allegiance to the State requires a cause - and a cause requires an enemy.
"War has provided both ancient and modern societies with a dependable system for stabilizing and controlling national economies. No alternate method of control has yet been tested in a complex modern economy that has shown itself remotely comparable in scope or effectiveness.
"War itself is the basic social system. It is the system which has governed most human societies of record, as it does today. War-readiness is the dominant force. It accounts for approximately a tenth of the World's total economy.
"The organization of a society for the possibility of war is its principal political stabilizer. The basic authority of a modern state over its people resides in its war powers...."
from REPORT OF THE SPECIAL STUDY GROUP TO THE PRESIDENT ON THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PEACE(1966).
General*** Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Tue Sep 10 02:00:19 2002
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkning, <<, Vendles, Mon Sep 9 14:58:53 2002
The Truth shall set you free!!
www.whatreallyhappened.com/stf1.html
Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Sat Sep 7 17:33:16 2002
i) protection of the Zionist Entity by its Client, USA.
ii) the understanding by the USA since at least 1945 that Peace in the World is undesirable and unfeasible from their point of view, and incompatible with US economic and political determinants.
iii) Oil
iv) the establishment of a New World Order.
Saddam is a living saint compared to the unbridled evil of the USA and its ZOG, (for the benefit of the lemmings, that's the Zionist Occupation Government)
Aproximately EIGHT MILLION PEOPLE have been murdered by the USA in its contrived and manufactured wars since 1945.
Wake Up!!!! and say NO to WAR...
Buck Turdgison <thecommandbunker@cheyennemountain.mil>
Town:CLASSIFIED, , , Sat Sep 7 00:43:44 2002
The west is stuck trying to figure how one counters threats from a force made up of suicide bombers, a detail that we are culturally ill prepared to appreciate on the one hand and, at the operational level is hugely simpler since operatives don't have to figure and arrange for a complicated getaway phase. Simply saying that the suicide approach is illogical hasn't helped the Israelis much. It is true that the Saudis are tottering but, were I an American, the last place I'd want my troops to be if Arab hell breaks loose is in the middle of it. I don't think the US could defend the Saudi oil fields anyway: at the first sign of a move on their part, the fields can be disabled by their own current operators. It didn't take long for Saddam to fire up 800 Kuwaiti wells in the Gulf war. It would take long either to disable Saudi wells to a decisive degree before clumsy US forces arrived on the scene, clumsy because frontline battle units are not set up to protect oil wells, fields and suchlike, however bravely and skillfully led. None of the foregoing is to justify military action at this stage. It is simply to say that, just as folk have done over the years - Hitler expected to break London's spirit with bombing raids, guerillas in Colombia expect to break civil society by terror tactics, bomber Harris expected to break German morale by his carpet bombing - if we assume that our logic will predict the potential adversary's upcoming moves, we are getting ouraelves into the hairiest of delicate situations and risking our lads' lives. I still think the terrorism factor and fundamentalism are still decisive ones and the oil bit an aggravating one to the extent that oil income is fuelling Saddam's regime. There is an understandable but dangerous tendancy, I feel, to assume that all woes are America's fault and all America's concern is exclusively oil-based. I see this assumption as underlying a seemingly innate anti-Americanism: you can choose to be anti-American but when these feeling become culturally ingrained, they cloud out all other angles and are therefore dangerous in themselves. The lamentable oratory of George et al doesn't help, of course, but there are still some upstart issues that, all unaware of American monopolaric 'sole pole' status, don't play by the rules emanting from that assumption and, as the US has found over the years, the Middle East is choc-a-bloc with them.
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Fri Sep 6 14:42:31 2002
If you don't think it's all about the supply of cheap oil take a look at what Mo Mowlam (an ex British cabinet member) has to say.
Go to: www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,786180,00.html
Andy Melia <andy.melia@btinternet.com>
, , , Fri Sep 6 08:08:03 2002
The other detail is simply that, although there seems to be no evidence Saddam had anything to do with September the 11th, a Saddam with a bomb in his back pocket could threaten America itself: he sails his bomb into New York harbour in a container and detonates it at will. Wiping out New York and humbling the Great Satan would practically beatify Saddam in many Middle Eastern eyes and I think his vanity renders him susceptible to temptations of that kind, even though, once identified as the dirty rotter responsible, US reaction would be prompt, as we have seen already.
So, I think that the US position reflects their reasonable and natural apprehension about having a megalomaniacal nut in a position to cause them and the whole Middle Eastern powderkeg very serious damage, damage from which they would probably never properly recover, in the terms undertsandable today.
As for the arguments against a war, the obvious ones focus on a negotiated solution, inspectors and suchlike, and one of the dreadful consequences being bruited about, namely, that a war could swell Al Quaeda's recruitment lines beyond measure, further endangering the US's safety. The idea of negotiating with Saddam has to be rated against the history of his having lied and reneged on a very long list of agreements, mainly with the UN, and he has shewn every intention of carrying on his military research and acquisitions aimed at getting his hands on the ruddy bomb. Saddam has repeatedly shewn that, with him and his ilk, no meaningful negotiations can be undertaken. If progrees is to be made, he has to go. If Dubya can come up with credible evidence of Saddam's imminent acquisition, by hook or by crook, of weapons of mass destruction, then the matter boils down to "Do we wait until the US, the UK or whomsoever, is hugely damaged and then, to cheers and encouragement, launch a devastating 'back-to-the-stone-age' attack, or do we undertake a limited action to unseat Saddam and protect ourselves and our lively critics, safely ensconced, as they feel themselves to be, in countries whose oft undervalued freedom was, ultimately, very dearly bought."
So, is Dubya the man for the job? I think that discussion will be far from protracted and we'd all be out by 9.30am, in time to buy the freshest of Bav Slices, confected that very morning. Now, you probably saw that Gerhard Schroeder in today's New York Times wasn't at all convinced of the war has to be undertaken at all and denied that this position owed more to elections later this year than wider practicalities. Do you feel he may have a point, a way out of the situation without actual fighting a limited conflict; if so, what is it?
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Fri Sep 6 01:39:58 2002
Now, in regard to Burbo burbeoningliness, I feel that our watchword ought to be 'most circumspect' for several reasons, one being that no-one else has claimed it as theirs so we could be full owners. But I digress. The attraction of Burbo surely is based at least partly on its untouchidity, its 'open to the sea and skyness' as it were and I would be loath to sacrifice that je-ne-sais-quoi-ship for a few barrels of oil. Now, were reserves proven to be more than a few barrels, we could always adopt a lateral drill and production technique, whereby we could actually keep all the paraphernalia, derricks, drillstrings, kellys (yes, actually; and for the curious, here in Venezuela, 'vástago cuadrado de transmisión') etc etc at a remote point. At first blush, the most promising would be somewhere in downtown Formby but that's not definitive, naturally. The bank itself would remain pristine, doing real estate values no harm at all at all. As for the aerodrome, as community-at-large conscious folk, I am for using Speke, bolstering the low key aspect, as it were and boosting our local airport's precarious fortunes in the face of Ringway and all its works and pomps.
The proposed mafia connexion is another matter altogether. I feel it would be advisable to secretly ask Elaine, as in all self respecting scenes of this type, 'Look, lass: are you in or are you in?'. Elaine's professed reminiscence was breadbin oriented and we really ought to ask whether she fancies shifting field a bit to accommodate mob connexionry, payoffs and suchlike. I mean, how do we know that Elaine isn't mother superior of an enclosed order with one computer in the entire province? Besides, if she's 'not in', we can save a cool 33.333%, dammit.
Before bruiting about our secret pre-emptive strike plan, I want to know whether such an initiative, reflected in extra work for Crosby strategists and tacticians as they hone their varied expertises and consequently stay up late and eat more Satterthwaite's bread, will bear at all on the usual Bavarian Slice Supply: if that were to fall at all noticeably, the ever-present eye of the spy could readily jump to the traditional conclusion, namely, "They're up to something, probably a pre-emptive strike!" immediately signalled back to headquarters in Bagdaddly and/or Washington-on-the-Pot-Omac, and provoking a pre-pre-emptive strike, readily enough predictable when you see Arabs and Buzzin' Cuzzins, buying up the last Bavslice stocks before the balloon goes up. So, let's bend with the breeze for the moment then and keep our upsleave options in our back pockets with a view to adroitly sidestepping foreign kibosh actions. For the moment.
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Tue Sep 3 22:05:16 2002
In an ecological aside, I would like to second the proposal from the honourable member fromn Darien: apart from the obvious benefits from the proposed facility, Crosby terminological leadership, resting in this case on our claiming ownership of the widely used phrase, 'When the cowpats hit the fan', would be rendered almost unassailable.
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Mon Sep 2 05:10:32 2002
Bear in mind that this is a watershed, a turning point, a Wendespot, a great 'before and after' in binliness: as always in rubbishy stuff, there is a deeper meaning that reaches apogee at an international conference. Just think: a binresqueue, Crosby-led, no less, at not just any international do but the very earth summit. It's overoodled with cosmic siginificance: the conference will spawn kilometres of ink of all sorts, being newspaper, reports and even handwrit like when we was sprightlier youngsters than today, and therein lies the esotericocity of the thing: the words 'bin' and 'nib', mirror images one of the other, are both derived from the ancient Sanskrut stem, 'i', a touching detail graphically revealing that, even from time immemorial most trash was 'nib' generated! Evidence is myriad; even in our own neck of the woods, only educated people could write and they were precious few so, as their rubbish gathered momentum, the common man had the word for the snootier literate charlie. And what was that word? None other than 'his nibs'! So, our binbrigade members are being called upon not just to collect rubbish but to realise and embody the veryness of rubbish disposal, clearing up after an international tripefest held under tripe reduction auspices! What greater Bin-occasion are we likely to see in our lifetimes?
I think we should be sending our frontline binmen and women into the fray with a new uniform, a new slogan (suggestions welcome) and that they should be deemed eligible for a new medal in this new war, a stylised represenation of their valour in stainless (of course) steel: "The Crosby Bin Lid", class 1 for leading binmen and class 2 for adjacent binmen. Go Crsoby!
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Sun Sep 1 22:05:58 2002
Invited to this will be the educationally sub normal Toxic Texan and his war loving, world opinion ignoring, war mongering, blood thirsty, bomb loving, armageddon inducing, planet polluting, nuke desiring, oil greedy, megalomaniac, corporately crooked, deluded, Churchillian aspiring, hawk like cronies who need a little cheering up.
Instead of making the world even more miserable, a few Bav Slices will transform their view of mankind, inducing a flower power, warm glowing, rose tinted, all you need is love, hallucinogenic, feeling of tolerance and spirituality to all and sundry.
Washed down with a few cups of Burbo-Blend Earl Grey poured elegantly by the Blessed Cherie, they will surely see sense and desist. Won't they?
Andy Melia <andy.melia@btinteret.com>
Mayor, The Burbo Bunker, , Thu Aug 29 10:06:24 2002
Our own area is plagued at the minute with budding postulants for 'hairy' distinguishabilitation: today's novices, currently including even the foreign minister, are those trying to impugn the supreme court's finding for the high ranking officers, a finding saying that the government's accusation of their having been guilty of 'military rebellion' in the April episodes was unfounded. All erroneously, this has been bruited about, primarily by the president whose rating of the court only weeks ago was, '....one of the best, if not the best, in the world', as being a finding that there was no coup d'état. While the Pres. Man is culpably mistaken on that front, it suits his purpose because his paid demonstators - who now earn more and have better benefits than the guardsmen sent to protect them (yes, the government supplies paid demonstrators and military guards for them thus to prevent local police from interrupting their officially sanctioned riots) feed on this stuff. Their latest declared enemies are 'international neo-liberalism' and, get this: - 'international zionism'. Well, Gee: sounds like déja vu all over again, eh?
Both our bailiwicks seem to be in one of those phases, of themselves not bereft of interest and simultaneously transitively trepidatatory, where personal strategy is dictated by mutually conflictive directives, being 'heads above water, lads' and 'heads below parapets, lads' and where the water is nazi-salute high and the damn parapets are all erected on low-slung bungalow-like edifications.
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Thu Aug 22 16:41:05 2002
That's where the Burbo connexion comes in: in Crosby, we have but few odds and sods onto which to hang our straightfaced convolutions and that are capable of standing the continual TCC hammering they might get. Look what happened to 5 Lamps! Hence the possibly irreverant tendancy by some who'll stay nameless to play fast and loose with the sacred Burbo, although Sniggery Woods, which to date has only had to conceal a mere Galactic Radar Listening Post squirreled away in its dark entrails, still has rubbish mileage left in it, I'd've opined.
But how to make a solid case that Crosby's outstandingness, appreciated most readily in the radiance of soul and bod of its ladies is in fact the very beating heart of classical Greek perfection? (since the whole thing began with 'class') I chose the purporting route and revealed how it all emenated from the Great B and provided the now pretty obvious underpinning of the hotly unundisputed predominance of charm and stuff daily oozed by Crosby lasses so naturally as they sashay their way into history; or the George. But there was still a wide-open hitch. Enter Melanie and her Antonio: no 3 guesses for which one he is. First, she doesn't spell her name like real Welshy, which always has to be allffffaigypllann sort of thing so that was corrected in short order. Then there's all this lisping stuff. Antonio Banderas(it means 'flags' btw) is in thick with Melanie Gryyyyphytthhhwwffffyth and the famous Spanish lisp was upbrought by her posting, a bit naughtily but there it is. That gave the key to the caboodle: take Mythology and unlisp it to Missology. Now you're in open country and the route to Seafield and Manor Road and Merch's (B & G) and St. Lukes and Holy Family and St. Peter's and Paul's and St Bede's and Uncle Tom Cobley's Shoe-in group is an open book, waiting only to be downset, if not downput.
The portmanteau bit was a red herring throwed in mischievously to distract attention by focussing momentarily on the well known bags for carrying coats used by sailors in port.
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, \#define _CGI_HTTP_REFERER http://www.merseyworld.com/crosby-channel/guestbookadd.htm, Vendles, Sun Aug 18 22:57:27 2002
.. & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, .., vendles, Sun Aug 18 11:46:57 2002
.. & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Sun Aug 18 03:04:30 2002
Here you will find the ancient tree-like nymph (painfully castrated) origins of the Mayor of Burbo Bank. >Now, where's that tarasomalata?
Andy Melia <>
Burbo Nymphai, All over the boundless earth..., , Sat Aug 17 09:31:52 2002
As for schoolyears, the delight-fact is that, if you can only experience just so many from 9 to 4 in school, the experience of any one of them would, per se, ipso facto and on the spottle, eliminate the opportunity to experience any other one during that time. Whatever: on an 'a posteriori' evidence basis, old Manor must have done a wonderful job in spite of it all, otherwise, you couldn't have finished up being so delightfull, now could you?
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, \# _CGI_HTTP_REFERER http://www.merseyworld.com/crosby-channel/guestbookadd.htm, Vendredi, Fri Aug 16 23:59:03 2002
Main Entry: 1gree
Pronunciation: 'grE
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French grE step,
degree, from Latin gradus -- more at GRADE
Date: 14th century
Scottish : MASTERY (q.v.)
whence, if we merge the Scottish 'mastery' with the Middle French 'step' solution as given and rejoin the result to 'pedi', we find that the ostensibly class-associated term, 'pedigree' actually refers - or referred - specifically to the 'mastery of steps of the foot' wherefore, seemingly, the 'pedigree' route to a solution of the real live meaning of 'class', when not talking of locomotives, of course, would throw up the version, 'one exhibiting such mastery', esp if Scottish or at the middle of French homework, being in short, 'Twinkletoes', there being one or two caveats in connexion with Medieval Dance. It thus becomes crystal-clear that the classy thing in them days was the 'Pas de Calais', or 'Calais Step', a form of 'To-Step', closely related to the peasant variant 'Gerroff', ealier "Ger'ov", through the German who made it famous at the Elizabethan court's 1582 Hanseatic conference celebrating the birth of the Hamburg nautical connexion and illustrating the Scottish commercial ascendancy prevalent at that time. Contemporary records mention a Thane McDonald. All this bears closely on our own very Scouseland heritage because, as it flagrantly blatant, dancing skill depended almost exlcusively on the suitability of the legs, particularly the direct foot-bearing parts, namely the lower leg bit. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see, jumping out of the paper, that deftness of lower leg, the local 'mastery' of which is carved in Liverpool Football club history, was the ability to wield one's upper limb in a "Shankly" fashion.
I rest my portmanteau having hoped to clarify the obvious, namely, that, to have class, you have to come from Liverpool, or be married to one such, or have flown in an aeroplane of a model not undissimilar to those observable from Burbo Bank while cashing damp cheques.
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Dawning?, <<, Vendles, Thu Aug 15 22:03:49 2002
Experience has taught me that the group that most believes in a "classless" society are those in the middle. The ones at the top and at the bottom know otherwise.
Or are racial minorities or aboriginal groups happy with their lot? I know the ones at the top are!
Incidentally, my anecdote was meant to illustrate the irony that a group of noisy, club-wielding yobs considered that they were superior to another group of noisy, club-wielding yobs. The fact that they were Canadian was (almost) incidental ;)
Bill <>
, Amsterdam, , Thu Aug 15 01:17:37 2002
.. & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Not-So-Darkening as before but still not bright either, <<, Vendles, Wed Aug 14 23:04:47 2002
Got into my local, which seemed to have been taken over by a bunch of big chaps in red and black checkered jackets and ditto kecks. They were extremely vociferous for the Crosbeians, for the Waterluvians, they were a gobby bunch.
On the way to the bar I asked one of the chaps if they were Americans. He denied this, explaining that, as a Canadian, he hated Yanks, and then proceeded to give the reasons. The last was the cutest; "and they're such loud-mouthed a******s!" And he was being serious.
Turned out they were an ice hockey team on tour, which I suppose explained everything...
Bill <>
, Amsterdam, , Tue Aug 13 22:14:14 2002
The other, non-questionly details cover: 1) the terminology part: I am of those who figger that if you were once a Seafield girl, you never become an 'ex'. I am prepared to admit that, having been a Preseland Road passer-by and beneficiary of Crosby's 4.00pm shimmering glory of yesteryear, so naturally, elegantly and rheologically perfectly lighting up the skies and hearts of the Borough, my votes in this may be deemed less than impartial but, whatever, I'd've plumped for, "Once a Seafield girl, always a Seafield girl', just as 'a Merchants boy' or 'a Brown School boy' can readily denote fellas who went to those schools in what is now a previous century; and 2) the validity of the metaphysical underpinning for the argument that reuniting former pupils will per se of itself and inherently, per ipsum ut ad hoc non jubilattii carbunculiborum, create an everlasting pride and support for misspelled childrenly offspringlies. Or maybe I just feel that way because, seemingly by dint if a administrative oversight, they didn't get my invite off in the same post that goes to Holland.
Things here are getting serious. Again. On national telly yesterday, the president said very forcibly that magistrates of the top court of the land are being pressured by foreign conspirators: the court, he said must find(in a a key matter about the April 'coup d'etat', so called) for the government's thesis that there was a coup. It has twice found there wasn't on grounds of manifest lack of evidence. He pointed out that the 'pueblo' wouldn't stand for any other result and would take matters to the streets. No manipulation there at all. He's afraid because a 'non-coup coup' would mean that his departure on the 12th of April becomes an abandonment of post a situation tantamount, with or without a signed document, to a resigantion. There being no constitutional mechanism to 'unresign', he would suddenly be seen to be governing now in usurpation of power. I might add that he and his political cronies packed the court with handpicked lawyers (the main guy had to get a PhD fast. All of 6 weeks it took) in the first place. Caray! The attorney general has things well in hand, though, being well counselled: among his advisors is the Colombian defence lawyer for the IRA guys in a Bogota gaol for aiding the FARC to make better bombs. Weaher's lovely.
I am sure Manorly Roadles are wonderfull and, is thirty ones for a 5 courser, or slap-up dingle dongle, deemed a 'posh' do, not forgetting the Seafield importées?
I think Babs is right about the silt: a national monument rating of some sort, agreed on with the government of neigbouring Great Britain, among whose influential advisors there figures a, well - a Seafield Girl. Can summat not be outworked?
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <<, Lundi, Mon Aug 12 15:24:00 2002
The last time St Mary's College wrote to me was to inform me of my 'O' Level results. 32 years later they have decided to write to me again with the urgent message "The school needs your help"
To "reunite former pupils creating an everlasting pride and support for the future of your children and their childrens (sic) children", they are holding a "super calendar of events" the first of which is on Friday 11 October at Formby Hall Golf Club. Tickets £30 for a 5 course dinner and a HALF bottle of wine. (Looks like they're -a registered charity - short of a few bob.
Unfortunately the letter contains several spelling and grammatical errors that put mine to shame. This will not do and the strap should be applied liberally.
However, if anyone wants to attend (and since this is the first time any official 'reunion' has been mentioned in 30 years at least) tickets can be ordered by cheque to the school (You know the address) payable to St Mary's Social Fund. Or telephone the school on GRE... er, I mean, +44 (0) 151 924 3926.
There's a 'disco' 10pm onwards, presumably with a coach load of ex-Sealfield girls brought in to make up the numbers. Sounds fun.
Andy Melia <andy.melia@btinternet.com>
, , , Mon Aug 12 09:44:27 2002
.... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Mon Aug 12 03:16:50 2002
I have no doubt than when he doffs his Mayoral Chain, several large companies will find a place for him on their boards.
Failing that, a comfy chair in Brussels could be his lot. Advantage of that is his missus can be his P.A., his kids research assistants, and his dog a consultant.
When will they privatise the Gravy Trains, that's what I want to know?
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, , , Sun Aug 11 23:45:13 2002
in a different vein, given the the prevailing TCC ambiance, still well within the penumbra of the Burbo turbo's discussion, I cannot pass on without observing admiringly that that tossed-over-the-shoulder-btw-before-I-forget enquiry about acquisition of some 'Burbo' action in the 'current' market was a stroke of genius. A sort of humourly 'raisin d'être', as it were.
Now to this newspaper or rag and the ad hoc TCC monnikering committee: in the tradition of not losing a faithfully transmitted vision of the past, the lively social relief achieved by rags (and rampant in the 'Waterloo' piece on this channel) in the early years of last century and the movement of calling them after street addresses, as "The Twelfth Street Rag" and as acknowledgement of Scott Joplin's contribution to Crosby's past, I suggest a groundbreaking name such as "The Moor Lane Stompers' Rag" as illustrating a naming philosophy, all with a view to arriving at a finalised re-Crosbied Herald that we all will come to know and love, inter alia, 'cos it'll be online. I add no more except to mention that there may well be a case, aimed at a spot of cachet, for writing "Rag" as "Wrag", to kind of, well, set it apart, I'd've figgered, there. Myself, I'd go for it.
...& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <, Vendredi, Fri Aug 9 19:49:05 2002
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, Caracas, Vendredi, Fri Aug 9 14:55:43 2002
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <, Vendles, Thu Aug 8 00:51:51 2002
Happy days, Crosby Channel! And yes, it is always Christmas in the Crosby, Harold, because as a local newspaper, it needs something to cover.
Poverty Stricken <>
, , , Thu Aug 8 00:25:42 2002
That crosbycam thing is quite something isn't it? Still, I do think that, if they, a channel called 'Crosbycam', are to keep the momentum going, they're gonna have to get more cams active. I have looked at the current shot several times and particularly found it cute that you can see Crosby's local time right there: an entirely new approach to 'real time' to all us offshorers toiling under Eastern Standard, Venezuelan Legal (ours) or other such rubbish,..... but there is a quickly reached limit of just how many times one can beneficially contemplate the one village shot.
Dear Andy, How can we be sure they are not last year's Christmas lights?
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <, Vendles, Wed Aug 7 21:40:34 2002
Subject to how we're spelling L**chtenstein this week, if victory is claimed 'gainst the Guardian of the Quiz, I'll be over to Caracas in shot. Or a plane.
Fare well!
Poverty Stricken <>
, , , Tue Aug 6 23:36:42 2002
Actually I sound like a sad git when I re-read this. But then, I am...
Bill <>
, Amsterdam, , Tue Aug 6 19:27:30 2002
The weather's lovely though and PovStruck, by the way, don't let these lead-laced wrangles put you off: there's virtually no waiting time in the restaurants and the prices - though it's on me, of course - prices are very reasonable. Ever tried South American T-bone?
.. & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <, Vendredi, Fri Aug 2 20:37:17 2002
Just so you realise it isn't all beer, skittles and humming birds for us Caraqueños, not far from whence I transmit, the Tupamaro urban guerillas, here agents of the sitting government, are firing on the police, including the police helicopter.
& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <, Vendleby Parva, Fri Aug 2 15:23:43 2002
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <, Vendles, Fri Aug 2 15:11:38 2002
I suggest you take a copy of "Pears Cyclopedaedia" next time you enter a (Pub) quiz. It's the best one-volume encyclopaedia I've ever come across.
In the meantime, console yourself with the fact that YOU know you won.
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, Amsterdam, , Fri Aug 2 14:41:04 2002
Bill - yep, the little state, not the bloke. Although, the guardian of the quiz seemed to be spelling it as though the bloke. How are you supposed to contend with that?
BUT-
the important thing is... we all had fun.
Poverty Stricken <>
, , , Thu Aug 1 22:54:45 2002
demand a recount!
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, Amsterdam, , Thu Aug 1 19:13:09 2002
.. & God Bless
jj <jakelly@telcel.net.ve>
The Darkening, +, Vendles, Thu Aug 1 15:43:20 2002
CoolSpellLuke <xylophones@20.biz>
Crosby, To, The Quore, Thu Aug 1 15:03:16 2002
Dear Jacobo, One never knows with these guerilla flavoured announcements whether it's really them, Comandante Zero of happy memory, the Joyjoy Monkey or other suchable. Or some faceticle of their putative budding opposition. As a card-carrying member of the combined revolutionary forces, albeit an undercover splinter-group offshoot engaged in the struggle for the betterment of tropical marijuana-for-medical-purposes growers - an unwellied and selfless column of like minded fighters for peace and liberty - I would add my voice to the ringing tones of hope in the Mayor's forthright refusal to be forced into a denial or confirmation of rumours to the contrary and would push for this as an ongoing policy. From our jungle vantage point, I would further propose such policy be translated, in motto form, into Latin, in order to achieve an air of verisimilitude. Or respectability. Or something. Today, at this point in time on the globality scene.
And so to the NittilyGrittilies: Our group is revolutionarily nonplussed at there not having been any mention made to the non-mutual exclusivity option, namely, that of approval of the two turbine projects, being both the German one, feeding bilinigual Euro-leccy into our pure national griddle, Aarhhh..., and the C-Scapeled amperibles one, voltaically accessing the same griddibule, consolidating someone's victory over prejudice and expensive hair-dryer power. And stuff.
This whole episode reflects too the continuing inoperability of the MoD's 'stick-in-muddle' tumour. The real revolution will get nowhere if the opposition spends time engaging the exclusive services of a series of public servants, collectively categorisable as "Dr. No!". Exactly which sort of low flying Jihad Junk luanched from which secret 'whence' is conceivably likely to edge up, supposedly disguised - Ho,Ho,Ho - as wind turbine electro-eddies until the very last minute, only to appear in righteous fervour 10 miles offshore and come tooling accross the bay at a high rate of knottles is beyond us, tireless indefatigables as we are, especially if the same certificable certainty stops short and, shifting gear in mid-puff, entirely fails to appreciate the advantage of edging up behind an identical set of C-Scapulated turbinicals, much closer on the Great Burbo. This comparative proximity would also reduce the 'howling' phase to be painted on the weapons' lateral sides, to terrify the dingle-dongles out of early dory-borne fishermen or birds. In all fairness, however, truth be told, the latest editions of 'Radar for Revolutionaries' always arrive late here at our firmset-weathered-features headquarters, with bath, just so Mr. Sureshot of Maruly fame doesn't think we can't carry a yellow towel just as revolutionarily as he. Him. They do. Or whatever.
A Hasta Luego, Siempre Hacia La Vista De Las QuintiLampi, Y La Calle Victoria et dernier mais ne pas le moinibus, Nihil Carborundum to all.
Comandante Cough Mixture <Mantenezlecalme@onestfoutu.edu>
San Juan Am Main, .<>, Colcostamarua, Sun Jul 28 21:25:41 2002
Liddypool sounds like Diddymen stuff to me.
I rather liked the sight of cheap, silent, eco-clean energy being harvested, all a testimony to elegant engineering, some Liverpool engendered. What could be more natural than the best of both worlds, harmony with nature, electrically pumped creation coming out of your water tap. All natural beauty isn't of necessity bereft of human input. Revolving reflexions for a rainy season Friday afternoon. Here, anyway.
... & God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <<, Vendredi, Fri Jul 26 22:00:52 2002
the other thing iam mentioning,(it,s ok to mention things on message boards)? : ),the wind farm,it was scraped i said it was no good a while ago when i was here last,the wind would get slashed by the blades,and they havent done anything,just minding their own buisness over Burbo,the next thing swished by giant swords of power wanting and need,the reason why they where not allowed was (imo)the Ministry of Defence said the low flying jets (RAF) might crash into them,with the September 11th terror attack,the Airforce will be doing more low-flying, maybe there right to pull the plug on it,plus if you was a pilot of a fast jet,would you want giant blades in your way,the wind farms look horrible,the ones in Cornwall spoilt the view for me,driving over the rise in the road,saw those ugly monsters standing there,wishing away,i wasnt close enough to hear them,but i can imagine they make a horrible noise,i for one am glad their not to be....or are they.fearless
fearless6.05 <fearless605@hotmail.com>
Crosby, Liverpool, England, Fri Jul 26 20:30:03 2002
You see, a tailoring franchise has recently opened on The Great Bank selling quality gentlemens' trousers. The franchise is rather aptly called "KECKS on Burbo Bank:" Obviously Stamps Bistro has sadly been misinformed.
However, it does give me an idea on how to breathe new life into the rather squalid Burbo red light district.
Should the proposed Crosby/Amsterdam event happen, I may be able to get some tips from the rather racy streets of the Dutch capital about how to capitalise on our sandbank's vice potential. Mrs Andy is looking forward to the trip already. Being a legal consultant to the mayoral office (as well as an enthusiastic supporter of women's career advancement), she has heard that there is a great deal of female soliciting in that wonderful city.
All we need now (whilst Stelios's prices are low) is expressions of interest from TCCers and a suggested date from Bill.
Andy Melia <andy.melia@btinternet.com>
Kecks appeal, baby, , , Mon Jul 22 17:52:20 2002
Will you be coming in the official Leer Jet? (no, the spelling's fine, John!)
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, Amsterdam, , Mon Jul 22 01:12:50 2002
And of course, I shall be laying the foundations for the TCC First Annual Outing to Amsterdam, assuming His Worship is still interested, and wasn't just talking out of his orifice.
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, Amsterdam, , Sun Jul 21 14:16:13 2002
Whatever: I think there's a danger of underestimating the weight of Uncle Frank's previous post: is Burbo on anybody's invasion list? Is the Mayor in possession of an updated Arabian Marrige schedule? Or this year's list of Irish-Welsh-Scottish Celtic Eisteddffford-c*m-PU fixtures? Are any bagpipe factories celebrating their centenaries? In a word: is the Burbo Security (sic) office sufficiently well funded and up to snuff; are the operatives fully trained, or in the jargon, 'Slice Current'? Has anyone told Bonnie that GRrrr only has 3 r's, notwithsatnding her/his impressive typing performance? In this uncertain day and age, regardless of Bonnie's achievements, not excluding an ongoingly notable Cheri symbiosis, there are noses to be stoneground and breaches to be into-ed before we can say that Burbo's potential disprupters will be duly convinced that any proto-incursion will be on-the-spotted-ly repelled with all, well ---- courteous promptness, shall we say. But first things first: know your opposition! Who are those parties potentially interested in Burbo occupation with subsequent sovereignty claims? Who out there is Crosby-jealous -- or even, perish the thought -- would deem us but a stepping stone to ill-perceivedly "greater things". How are the Mayor and his counterintelligence staff to prepare if the threat is uncharacterised?
.....& Go
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Sat'dy, Sun Jul 21 00:59:47 2002
If I was allowed to say things like "****", or "****" or even "********* with a huge ***** hanging out of her ****** while I was ********* it", things here would be so much more inciting, and there would be a dirth of yawners.
But I can't, so tough *******.
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, Amsterdam, , Sat Jul 20 22:18:34 2002
Failing that, a bar of "Fry's Five Boys" cost thruppence.
Bill <>
, Amsterdam, , Sun Jul 14 11:21:40 2002
1950 Billy Liddell 18
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scousescorers <shots@goal.edu>
Paflret Major, ....., Oldies But Goodies, Fri Jul 12 21:18:12 2002
billy liddell died twelve months ago.
both on the field and off it, billy liddell lived up to the very highest of standards and was an example and inspiration to all. A supreme athlete, he was one of the most complete players of his day and to many seasoned observers is still the greatest performer anfield has seen.
away from the game he did a vast amount of voluntary work for local boys' clubs and after his retirement he became a magistrate, a lay preacher and bursar of liverpool Uuiversity. The selflessness and sense of duty that guided his life outside football was as central to his approach as his vocation itself, and he was never anything less than a model proffesional.
It was his misfortune that, for the greater part of his two decades at anfield, there were too few other players of his ability at the club. The most modest of men, liddell would deny that he was forced to carry the team by himself for long periods of his career, but the fact that his side was universally known by the nickname "liddellpool" provides the most telling measure of his influence.(From "liverpool's greatest players" by david walmsley)
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el paso, --, weld blundell, Fri Jul 12 21:06:49 2002
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Waterloo, , , Thu Jul 11 09:04:10 2002
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The Darkening, <>, MidWeek, Wed Jul 10 16:16:36 2002
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The Darkening, <>, Stag o' Din, Tue Jul 9 15:16:20 2002
"BUT", I hear you cry, "BUT" - Ah! there's always a 'but' - " But how valid is the proposal that the name of the airport will so influence anyone, and that even inludes Americans?" Well, now you're talkin'! Because the question about the airport is but a special case of Mr.Paul Jones's greater and elegantly hued question plant on TCC, namely, should the perception that tourist, or indeed foreign or local investment income opportunities are influenced by the names of sites of interest in a given locality be a determining factor or even a factor in naming said sites of local interest? Now there's a thing! And the possibilties are myriad: what would one call the Albert Dock? Ought we to graft a spot of the classic onto Crosby's "QuintiLampi"? This is virgin territory, requiring cutting at the gorsey undergrowth to edge forward but I am sure we are up to it!
The second question raised by Paul's post is the possibilty of arriving at John Lennon at al at all, in his terms, 'as opposed to Manchester'. From Eurolocations, it's easy as we have seen from Bill's notably fecund post of yesterweek. But does our airport have facilities to take transatlantic, i.e. longhaul flights, with their long runway requirements and people administration capacity? Well, I don't know. Maybe some other poster does and could enlighten us. The other, associated, detail that crops up there is the 'Manchester as an alternative' view: now, in the light of the huge expense and planning complications of lengthening existing runways and laying new ones, why should we in the northwest continue to barney - 'your airport over mine' - between ourselves, only to benefit the rest of the country, notably, the southeast? I favour the merging of our two major airports, by means of a high-speed surface rail link between John Lennon and M/C(Ringway?) to create a NorthWest Regional Flight Centre for all longhaul flights, relieving some pressure at M/C and opening the possibilty that, together, we could improve our global validity as a well-served business and tourist centre, boasting all facilties and outstanding links to the region, the midlands and Scotland: Catch that between yer teeth, southeast!
Well just a few reflexions on Paul Jones's adroit focus, possibly owing to his specially privileged vantage point, living in a locality full of those very Americans who, we hope, will soon be upqueuing for tickets to the "England's Heartland, the Fascinating NorthWest, Dripping History, Throbbing Culture and a Step From Woodsworth's Front Door!"
... & God Bless
P.S.: Andy, I tried the Satters site and the BavSlice page is still 'under construction'! Arrgh!
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The Darkening, <>, Stag o'Din, Tue Jul 9 14:59:41 2002
In this same vein, in matters Crosbyan, culpable ignorance of 'how it was, like, y'know' has now grown somehwat because of an interesting site upon which I stumbled recently, namely http://www.sunnyfields.freeserve.co.uk/crosby/ where the old Ribble bus depot, ownership of shops, a couple of oil paintings (my own particular fancy) and other village stuff covering 1946-1970 was available. Shufti it up!
I see the airport nomeclaturical sub-comitteee hasn't finalised it indubitably arduous task at the time of going to press. Maybe it would be better to start by sounding out the feeling for dropping the current Lennon option. Who's for and who's not? I am for dropping it myself, in favour of anotherly focussed name as yet undecided, as opposed to a simple return to 'Liverpool Airport' for reasons priorly forthset and, whilst acknowledging validity of others' ideas, my own vote still favours the historically flavoured 'Red Duster'.
For all you Venezuela watchers out there, btw, a mega-march of protest against the government is programmed for this Thursday. It has been billed as the 'definitive march' and, in internet invites, we are told of how peaceful it will be, as against the April 11th march when 18 Venezuelans were murdered on the street on national tv. These same invites, however, go on to details of how to minimise the effects of tear gas and very especially the need for a vinegar-soaked handkerchief to be placed over the nose for that purpose. The weather is lovely despite the rainy season being in full swing; fact is, as rainy seasons go this one hasn't yet lived up to its predecessors' hard won reputation. And our currency, the 'Bolívar' has trundled down a devaluatory path to the tune of only 78% this year, quite an exciting ride in its way but, let me empahsise, it's not all beer and skittles here in this neck of the tropics!
... & God Bless
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The Darkening, <>, Monday, Mon Jul 8 15:46:22 2002
not of a reader of the star - Salty.
Salty <>
Any, , , Sun Jul 7 23:44:56 2002
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The Darkening, <>, Stag o' Sam, Sat Jul 6 23:31:11 2002
No, I think the Beatles owe a great deal to Liverpool - as one born 253 yards from Penny Lane and a bona fide contributor to the ambiance subsequently embodied in a sizeable bank account, I feel proud, albeit shortchanged - but the upshot of it all is that Liverpool is now on more peoples' cultural maps than it would otherwise have been and the Beatles symbiosis did us no harm at al at all....
So what should we call the Airport then? What do we seek when seeking a name for a Municipal Airport? Given the chance, would I go for 'John Lennon' again, as opposed to the name of a noble Spitfire pilot hauling his roaring MkIX off a Speke runway into a tearing climbing turn to port under full boost? I think we ought finally to move on, leaving our heroes in peace but unforgotten and gratefully and respectfully build our best efforts on the freedom they purchased for us making something that, had they survived they would be glad to wave at saying: "Them's our lads doin' that, y'know!". My Liverpool Airport could bear any of many names and I would have no problem endorsing those of the Billy Liddel or Dixie Dean variety but pressed, would probably opt for a vaguely cryptic one, namely "RED DUSTER AIRPORT" in tribute to our merchant seamen who, well, actually did put Liverpool on the map and which would give us a chance, when questioned to tell, doubtless in pithy and encapsulated versions, of some of their exploits, whether of when they transatlantiqued protected by Captain Johnny Walker's vessels on convoy duty in the 40's or when pitting their skills against the Boston transatlantic men in the 1880's.
So that's mine then: "RED DUSTER AIRPORT". Do I have anyone to second that motion?
..& God Bless
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Stag O'Donna, Huh?, Thu Jul 4 19:11:52 2002
I think that their efforts were part of a greater sea change where, thanks to RAB Butler, the now more educated 'lower classes' were daily more aware of their being fed Bulldog Drummond rubbish as a matter of course and of seeing tastefull drawing room comedy, farce and drama when they could truly cry, "Oh, Drawing Room, I Know Thee not! I've on'y gorra a frunt room with empty coal sacks on the floor for the dog ter sleep on". The emergence of Goons, Coronation Street and so forth as opposed to James Mason or even Dirk Bogard (actually, Derek Van den Bogaerde, btw see http://members.aol.com/Alpheratz9/Biography.html) and Doctor films was a flag planting exercise by the avant garde producers, comics and musical practitioners, whereof Liverpool was unshort - I even played in a skiffle group myself, ahem - who transmitted the age more faithfully than others who sought well (who can forget Brief Encounter?) or otherwise to feed a changed audience more of the same old same old.
[contd in Part II]
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The Darkening, <>, Stag O'Donna, Huh?, Thu Jul 4 19:10:08 2002
As I flew out of John Lennon International Airport (Above Us Only Sky) on Tuesday, I thought of something my mother said:
"When we had our backs to the wall, and the only thing between us and a Thousands Years of National Socialism was the R.A.F., Speke Airport was a good enough name for the local aerodrome.
John Lennon loved the place so much he left it as soon as humanly possible.
Which of our working-class heroes deserve to be remembered in the name of the Liverpool Airport; those who made the ultimate sacrifice over the skies of our fair city, or a smackhead who was taken out by a fruit loop in his adopted home town?"
Discuss...
(and to our beloved Mayor: if it hadn't been for the Brylcreem Boys, "Sie lieb' dich" and "Komm gib' mir deine hand" wouldn't have been the only songs the Moptops sang in German, so the "they put the town on the map" argument is insufficient)
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, Amsterdam, , Thu Jul 4 11:06:02 2002
...& God Bless
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The Darkening, <>, Midweek, Wed Jul 3 15:59:14 2002
Claire, did I miss something? On what do you base your (somanyeth) threat to terminate the Channel?
I think we should be told...
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, Amsterdam, , Tue Jul 2 22:12:10 2002
& God Bless
Moi, Encore une Fois <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Stag o' Din, Tue Jul 2 19:27:43 2002
Whilst knee-jerk anti-americanism may be fashionable, I think you have to differentiate between Daft George and 'all things American' per se. We Brittles have all sortsa things in common with the 'Yanquis' of 'Go home' fame and we didna' oughta flex reflexes for flexing's sake. Where'd've we have been in the last century had Honest Abe's perception of the open society's founding principles had not been applied to keep the Union together in the 1860's and today's US had become two, or three, or four, or five different countries with varying languages and currencies and views of roiling Europe? Where would we all be without a huge natural rights-based consumer market for a whole slew of our stuff, beginning with Land Rovers, Monticule Pythonibus and Masterpiece Theater? Even things such as Seinfeld and Friends have served to sharpen our appreciation of Brit national humour and, absent Americans, we'd not've seen things like the (US financed) 'Chariots of Fire' either. No, the George phenomenon does'nt help a great deal (though even The Economist was against the Kyoto Accords as ineffectual) but neither do a series of Brit or French or German shortcomings help their respectives either. The yanks may not do the best job but can you imagine le Monsieur Président Jacques Chirac (or Ken Livingstone) in power in Washington? Scary! So, let's hear it for all the yanks. Except George and guys like Strom and Jesse, eh? Besides, I see Al Gore is gearing up for a shot at the Seat in the Oval again.(http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=311160) Will that render anyone's sleep sounder?
... & God Bless
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The Darkening, <>, MardiVen, Tue Jul 2 15:21:25 2002
PS: Hintle: If you play tennis, top class Dunlop balls are very much cheaper in the US than back home.
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The Darkening, <>, lundi, Mon Jul 1 14:04:59 2002
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The Darkening, <>, Vendles on Sundles, Sun Jun 30 18:57:55 2002
Dear Bill, I looked at the German joke website and, whilst agreeing they maybe have a witferous edge over the comically-challenged Dutch, I found the stuff a tad heavy-handed altogether. Oddly enough, and I'd probably have not spotted it without having your recent your post in mind, I saw a German joke on a T-shirt a few days later. The scene is a large lass pig and a smaller lad-pig, both sty-borne: LASS: "Alle Männer sind Schweine!" LAD. "Na, und?" (Lass: "All men are pigs!" Lad: "So what?") which I felt steered close to some intense, albeit diffusely defined, truth.
All of the very bestles for Brooke II at which, apart from timeless reminiscences, is the only one of our events at which the Mayor is expected to upturn in "Panoplia completicus et enteritus, ohne Pooch". That didna oughta disappoint.
Well, back to the Friday grind of watching humming birds just outside my window as I take orders over the 'phone. Ayay-Ay! A whole day before sunblock application and moseying over to the tennis club for a set or two and getting a papaya and a few mangoes on the way home. "Adios muchachos compañeros de mi vida,....."
... & God Bless
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The Darkening, <>, Vendredi, Fri Jun 28 15:39:26 2002
.. God Bless
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The Darkening, <>, Vendredi, Sun Jun 23 19:49:05 2002
Tydal, Eddie & Associates <gowiththeflow@alltimes.edu>
fundy bay by the moss, <>, there'll always be 1, Sat Jun 15 21:55:29 2002
I'm assuming that "The Lads" will this afternoon demonstrate the same flair and panache they recently showed against "Der Mannschaft", and thrash Johnny Gaucho 5 to 1.
Having said that, I wouldn't wager any of my hard-earned Euros on the result.
p.s. For those of you who speak or read German, but doubt my remarks about their sense of humour, a visit to http://www.ihrseidnichtdabei.de/ will show you what I mean...
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, Amsterdam, , Fri Jun 7 11:57:08 2002
... & God Bless
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The Darkening, <<, Vendredi, Thu Jun 6 21:45:42 2002
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The Darkening, <<, Venderdi, Thu Jun 6 19:26:30 2002
Now, about this anthemlie,....
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The Darker-by-the-Day, <<, Vendredi, Thu Jun 6 14:38:43 2002
But enough about me! What's with the variable pendings on the agenda and up for disquebules? What about the flag, the religious change of hart when househunting, the Nooly Judeled Anthemlie in need of further lyrics beyond the nah-nah sequenceship?
And, for the Grace-flavoured appartment, many thanks from a gratefully inmate.
...& God Bless
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The Darkening, <, Vendles, Wed Jun 5 20:17:45 2002
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The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Wed Jun 5 01:58:07 2002
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The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Wed Jun 5 01:57:44 2002
a) your are sweet on the girl yourself
or
b) your are sweeet on the BOY yourself
In any event your obsessive interest in the forthcoming nuptuals is not natural...
Either way, this is not the forum for vulgar libelling of friends and foes alike, and certainly not if you're too chicken to use your real name.
And don't forget Van Helsings final ignominious fate... ;)
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, A,msterdam, , Tue Jun 4 11:28:08 2002
NO!, it wasn't HIS choice!!! It was *MY* choice to dump this feral s**t in his home while he wasn't even there!!! Has this man no self- respect!... No... self-esteem!! Can't he get a girlfriend for himself???? Is there something WRONG with him??? How long was it since he'd had his HOLE???? TEN F.U.C.K.I.N.G. YEARS?????
So how did you meet your wife, Eddie??? Well, she's a bad, mad slag to whom no-one else would give house-room, and I just found her sitting there in my home when I came home one night.... In the booze/coke miasma that is my pitiful excuse for a life, I was eager to plight my troth to an "evil nymphomaniac who should be sectioned" (...and these are just the nice things her OWN PARENTS have had to say about her)
The JOKE's on you - poor, sad, pathetic Eddie.....
Van Helsing <>
, , , Tue Jun 4 01:49:07 2002
Dear Plain, As you say, 'It's self explanatory really,... men with problems'. Well suddenly, I recollect that adage, "It takes one to know one". If stuck for a good place to begin personal problem solving, you might beneficially leave TCC in peace and have a shufti at the mirror, just on the offchance, like.....
Dear Andy, Burbo Turbo and Burbo Hideaways Developments, PLC: how's my plot enquiry progressing?
... & God Bless
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The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Mon Jun 3 02:40:50 2002
Let's face it, from a psycho-analytical viewpoint, the only ones that Shirley goes the full nine yards with are men with PROBLEMS, be they drugs, alcohol or mental illness - or preferably all three...
It's self-explanatory, really. They have the things she WANTS, and being none too bright, are easy prey to her psychopathic charm. This guy, though, has outdone all her previous victims in his moronic tenacity....
The Plain Truth <>
, , , Mon Jun 3 01:20:04 2002
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The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Sat Jun 1 23:41:24 2002
I went out with Shirley a couple of times. I decided to run in the other direction after being asked, by a lowlife "friend" of hers, quite matter-of-factly : "Are you her Pimp?"
I'd already had my suspicions, after she tried to persuade me to "lend" a bricklayer "friend" of hers £10. He didn't seem particularly keen to take the money, and made a sharp exit.... I guess he must have thought I was an undercover copper.
Need I say more? My wife-to-be or, in Andychat, -in-waiting, lived way beyond the bus depot terminus by the police station so I had to undertake trips to find where she was at. The oddliness of all this was that, on my arrival in January, 1968, at her location, at that time, the 5th floor offices of Shell Quimica de Venezuela in Caracas, she never let on. I mean, none of that 'Ah, there you are finally' or 'Well, its about time y' know'. She was Señorita Magalí Luciani at the time and I was just in after a stint ferreting about in Delft, Holland, where I didn't find her, naturally. So, instead of rushing into anything, we started to chat an' stuff, going out to a fillum, with Wilfred Pickles - can you imagine, Wilfred Pickles in Caracas, in 1968, Blimey! -- seemed perfectly natch at the time mind you. Having opted for the 'slow boat' philosphy, we chatted and stuff some more and, it being a slow year overal, decided we could carry on a while, chatting. So we got engaged that March and aimed at a May wedding: it transpired that everyone I knew, what waren't many, was booked up by then so we offput it until July, 13th. That´ll be 34 of them this year, in a few weeks. Over the years, I haven't changed a great deal. Neither have my glasses. Let's hear it from them as what's been a successful swain or been successfully beswained to the point of marriage to same. Maybe that could be worked into the Burbo Phlagge, by incorpration of an intertwining of national symbols covering the locations of Burbo Offshorers such as ussle? I would contribute a painting depicting an oily-well, tamarind and mango. Given Crosbyites come in various sizes and, well, mileages, maybe a little reflective whimsy could also be inworked into the overall. Were such to meet with cabinet approval, I'd be prepared to vote for, say, "Son, get your priorities straight: few on their deathbeds think, 'Gee, I wish I had spent more time in the office!". Or other. .. & God Bless P.S. For those who asked me privately about the Crosby lady's lost friend, I can advise all is outsorted but, for whatever reason, I have recently been unable to access the board to post.(Tone down relief sighs at the back there, please!) Q. You're joking! How did she get there? Q. Let me get this straight. You are going to marry a homeless tramp who insinuated herself into your house via an ex-boyfriend? Q. Do you know how many men she's had? Q. Do you have much experience of women? Q. How have things been since you became an item? Q. Are you mentally ill? Q. Are you sure this is your wedding you're going to, and not your FUNERAL?... Q. Do you think it's going to last? "I always pay for sex - it's CHEAPER in the long run... Woody Allen" As foreign minister, and a foreigner one you'll have to go along way to updig, I balk, nay, I positively balk, in the strongest terms (that takes some doin', btw) at the idea of common tourists contaminating the purity of Crosby's pureness, the folksy hale-fellow-well-met-and-how-was-your-Brownmoor-dance-any-talent-that'd-look-at-you-unaskance? and the general Crosbyness. I would, though, go for an 'uncommon tourist' campaign whereby we could look at the "Crosby, Europe's best kept secret" (and cheap at half the price) approach and then try the engineering feats described, and by the way dragging a fair fraction - to include Satties and Seafield** - of the caboodle down a bit, to be on a longitude and at a latitude more in keeping with the natural tropicality of Crosby's folksy-hale-fellow- etc etc. All this would a) help out Poor Venezuela by enhanced proximity with the formal commonsense of Crosbyite civilities writ large, b) reduce the length of my flights homely and c) improve the fancy higher priced tourist throughput since there are more here in the Caribbean than there. Apart from that, generically, I'm all for the plan. ... & God Bless * apparently arrested for lack of demo permit (after goin' all that way, at my expense) ** By means of a well-documented discontinuity in the space-time lattice, located near my shaving mirror, natch. .. & God and Halifax Bless ... & God Bless As for your choice of St. Michael, why not? I took Mike as a confirmation name actually, impressed with his early swordsmanship and all that but, on a practical 'Crosby Patron' basis, one can also underpin his case by citing that he already has a Road - down there by the Waterloo ground as I recollect. But is he the only candidate? And how about a bird: are there no saintly nubiles out there what'd give Mike a few nervous moments. Or more? I've fancied that Faustina girl and St. Theresa of Avila is a Top Lass too, and smart with it. Furthermorely and mind you like, y' know, if there's life after death and the French and Spanish country parties are what they're cracked up to be, there's a case for lesser knowns. As in Gracie Fields, 'SALLY!' or other such. Or we could hark back to Crosby's Viking roots, as per the Squire's Tale and go for a St. Bridget, or Literate Wladwin of Altcar, famed his expostulation at Crosby ignorance at the alehouse, "There's no Rune at the Inn!". Or we could bet on God's infinite mercy and generate a Patron Saint incorporating the features we figured cover the case, so with a background in nautical yarns, representing the pre-Coronation Street era, a generosity beyond a garroulous gruffility, a way with horses redolent of the Crosby pre-war Carnival Horse Chap, a few little miraculous lightheartedlies and a name that could be fella or birdle, like Clair St. John-Gilbertson-Rimmer. Or something. This case has the advantage that God can slide petitions over to any old sainty chap or lass that's got nowt to do at the minute thus bucking them up per se and guaranteeing a faster reply protocol for the people in this vale of beers. Whatever! ... & God Bless, as Caracas Darkens Further. Anyway, to the twist: His party members have called upon the Vox Pop to vote for Fortuyn using the preferential vote system. (we have a list system here, so you can choose either the party, or express a preference for a particular member.) The fear amongst the psephologists is that there will be a landslide. A party with a huge majority and a dead leader. After the elections, the party will appoint a new leader! Talk about a pig in a poke. It almost makes John Kelly's lot look democratic! It's not as much fun as it sounds, because the so-called "Polder Model" tended to either ignore or brush under the carpet a number of social problems. Suddenly along comes a natty-dressing,gay intellectual, right-wing former professor of Sociology who addressed issues the coalition compromists didn't dare to touch with the proverbial barge pole. Immigration, health care, the more than one million people who receive invalidity benefit and the half-million long-term unemployed (this in a country with a TOTAL population of 16 million!) to name but a few subjects. Until Fortuijn (pronounced fore-town) came along, such subjects were taboo. Much to the pleasure of the cloggie-in-the- street, he put these subjects on the political agenda. Fortuijn also possessed something most Dutch politicians lack; charisma. In the run-up to the election the status quo parties did (in some ways rightly) demonise the man; some nutter environmentalist took the law in his own hands, and, to quote a leading Dutch politician, "The Netherlands lost their innocence." Fortuijn was not an "extreme right winger", nor was he a racist. His number 2 candidate on the Electoral List was brown (and gay, I believe)and his party even has a Turkish woman in the Rotterdam Council. His philosophy was simple: as a child he wanted to be Pope. As a grown-up he decided to become Prime Minister, and probably would have succeeded, such was his ability to listen to the Vox Pop. In other words, he was just an ego-tripper, plain and simple. He'd tried to get into the established political parties, but they all rejected him 'cos he was a bit too flaky, even for the Dutch! Very few of his policies were thought through. Most of them wouldn't have worked. In five years time he would have had his asp kicked by the same electorate that loved him this month, and retired to write his memoires The mood on the streets is similar to that with Princess Diana when she popped it. (I still think she was a brainless, upper-class slapper with a pretty phiz and some good spin.) Ironic that the "Dutch Diana" turned out to be a well-dressed 54-year old wooftah. It could only happen here... ... & God Bless To their surprisethey discovered that those who had assimilated into the American lifestyle, EVEN IF THEY FOLLOWED THE TRADITIONAL JAPANESE DIET, were just as likely to succumb to the diseases of their neighbours as anyone else. However...those who still followed the Japanese family traditions and maintained a Japanese lifestyle in their homes had the same survival chances as their relatives in Nippon!!! Seems that family, friends and stability play a more important role than the number of Big Macs consumed, and if you've ever been to a patron saint's feastday in the French or Spanish countryside, you'll know what I mean. ...& Que Dios os bendiga May There Drizzle Graces From Abovely Please help and I will sort things out.
Crosby Taliban <>
, , , Sat Jun 1 15:55:46 2002
Where I met my wife, in my case, of 34 years: what a good idea, where and how one became bewiféd or beguyéd (semanticallic similarties to 'beguiled are purely coincidental) looks like quite a topic.
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Fri May 31 20:46:35 2002
Q: So, how did you meet your intended, Eddie?
A: Well, I was minding my own business, and came home p****d one night to just find her sitting in my house.
A. It turned out she had trashed her own flat and made herself homeless for the 4th time in 12 months. Her own parents had shown her the door, so she started phoning ex-"boyfriends" (she carries around a little red book with about 100 names and phone numbers) and SIX men refused her shelter(because they don't want their houses trashed or to be falsely accused by her of rape or asault). The seventh EX she phoned happened to be living with me at the time, and he said yes, she could stay with us. Then he moved out, rather quickly....
A. Well....Yes, but things always look better after a drink and a snort...
A. Her parents did tell me, but all I can remember is the figure ended in a couple of zeroes. I am actually still looking for the one man in Crosby or Waterloo who HASN'T been with her. I'm told he does exist, but I'm beginning to think he must be a myth....
A. There was one other one, come to think of it...
A. Just a few ups and downs. Nothing major... First, I lost my driving licence after she persuaded me to drive to Southport to see an EX of hers(this guy was one of the many who'd refused to give her house-room the day she landed in my house), and I was stopped way over the limit on the way back. Then I was arrested for rowing with her in the street. Then my family threw us out of our house. Then we were evicted from our new address. The Police are around at ours so often I'm considering charging them rent...
A. I don't think so, but if it pleases her, I'll gladly try it... We'd have it in common then.
A. How can I tell? My life's already in ashes....
A. Of course it'll last....until she's had the shirt off my back and we're in the gutter...
Am I the only sane person in the world?? <>
, , , Fri May 31 19:25:25 2002
Sandra, didn't you know there was a World Cup on? Come on you Senegalese!
Crosby Sven <>
, , , Fri May 31 16:09:35 2002
Looking forward to the 4 days off - what's everyone around the world doing for the Jubilee (if anything)?
Sandra <>
Crosby, , , Fri May 31 10:39:01 2002
Don't do it, Eddie! She'll make a d**k-head out of you. In fact, she already has - and it's not going to get any better. Think of where you were - and where you are now... Think of what you had - and what you've lost. Think of your kids... Think of anything BUT her. She's had more p****s in her than a second-hand dartboard, and they've all ended up in the gutter because of her. You'll be no different....
The Prophet <>
, , , Thu May 30 22:03:14 2002
Right now it looks like I will be at the RE-UNION in spirit and not in "spirits" if you catch my drift. Regardless, I'll still spring for the winner's pint.
Frank Cardwell <fcardwell@hotmail.com>
Toronto, , , Thu May 30 04:17:11 2002
JJ: How are things in Venezuela, this fine day?. Is the little colonel still in control there? Meanwhile Carmona, unlike Matilda, takes no money and done run Colombia! Some haven for the misbehavin'!
P.Albion <fithcheallach@yahoo.com>
where, everyone's welcome, , Wed May 29 18:44:51 2002
Psychopath & manic-depressive to tie the knot...should produce very interesting, if spectacular results! A bit like matter and anti-matter coming together. Shirley and her "fiancé" press ahead with their plans for personal oblivion. She's a pathological taker - and he can't say NO.
Known to The Drug Squad <charlieheads-r-us@coke.com>
, , , Wed May 29 13:52:02 2002
I missed the last get together at the Brooke,is this for any one,or just ex pupils of St.Mary's? If it is for anyone,did any females attend last year? I might be interested to meet some of the contributers of TCC.......Frank are you going?
Barb <nanna_barb @ yahoo.com>
Crosby, Liverpool, England, Wed May 29 12:15:00 2002
Frank, can I assume from the fact that you're already doling out free pints in the Brooke that you'll be there?
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, Amsterdam, , Wed May 29 09:55:25 2002
I must report that, after a hard fought and very exciting ice hockey game, our beloved home team THE TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS have gone down to defeat at the hands of the HURRICANES tonight. That said, we can now our attention to the proposed BURBO STADIUM issue since our Mayor of Burbo has returned from his absence. The first item on the agenda should probably be the flag issue. Because we have many members of this (The TCC) channel who have unrivalled heraldic expertise perhaps we should leave the design of a BURBO FLAG open to suggestion. The reward for the winning design will be a free pint at the BROOKE on June 29th when the winner is announced. Anyone care to submit an entry?
Frank Cardwell <fcardwell@hotmail.com>
Mississauga, , Canada, Wed May 29 04:17:31 2002
Thank you all for your suggestions for the Burbo Stadium - excellent work. Apologies for responding at this late stage but I have been busy on Ballearic business drinking Rioja, eating tapas and ogling the lithe, topless....er, I mean attending vital meetings to "shore" up the Beurbo against the Euro. However, a national Burbo Bank stadium is tempting. Particularly when one considers the mystical background to such a proposal - not only the sacred Ramses connection, but the fact that the infant Mayor-in-waitng and his short trousered pals performed such footballing acts of genius on said sandbank in the 60's that a precedent has been set. At the moment I am on prozac, recovering from the shock of Monsieur Anelka not signing for the reds, but when my equilibrium has been restored, I shall consult my Burbo tide timetables and produce a feasibility study. Copies will be distributed at the Brooke reunion on Saturday 29th June. 8pm sharp.
Andy Melia <andy.melia@btinternet.com>
Burbo Naturist's Beach, , , Tue May 28 16:00:25 2002
Message for JJ who appears to be in Venezuela. I've been concerned about Waterloo Park girlfriend Beryl Morton who now lives in Caracas. Have heard little from her and the phone doesn't seem to work either. How bad is it out there? By the way, I was once Lesley Nelson of Brownmoor Lane, ex Forefield Lane and Waterloo Park. Anyone know what happened to John Saphier?
Victoria Smillie <v.smillie@talk21.com>
Bawburgh, Norwich, Norfolk, Sat May 25 09:58:11 2002
Well.... Hello Crosby Channel! Congratulations on the new look, very impressive. Hope everyone is well. I'll be on again soon with news on a forthcoming production at the civic hall... if you saw OLIVER, you'll love this one even more!!! Happiness Always ADM
Antony Martin <amartin2@activemail.co.uk>
Crosby, Liverpool, UK, Thu May 23 15:28:19 2002
Then jj, what about a floatable stadium? Marine could theretofore use it for their games for which same stadium could be towed to a position offshore to Waterloo. Premier games would of course take place with the stadium anchored facing the more affluent areas such as Brighton-le-Sands. The only engineering problems that I forsee could revolve around the necessary sewer pipe connection to Burbo. Mind you, when I was a lad, we all considered the Crosby sewer pipe and tower to be both an engineering marvel and an important aid to navigation. Let's leave it up to the Mayor to decide.
Frank Cardwell <fcardwell@hotmail.com>
Toronto, Home of the Toronto Maple Leafs, It's ice hockey mania once again, Thu May 23 05:36:21 2002
De profundis of our unending political turbulence and our president's latest trip abroad, whence, boarded on a separate Iberia flight, he took along his own crowd of 40 protesters* with anti-American placards to demonstrate in his support and at my expense (heiliges!) and, in Spain for the EU-LatAm summit, a) failed to attend the summit he'd gone for, also at my expense, and b) failed to show up at the formal dinner at the invitation of King Juan Carlos, alleging he didna wanna put on a formal outfit he's used before, I cry to Thee O Lord!. Having failed to do any of the things he'd gone to represent us for, he added insult to injury by letting the four winds know that he had come (at my expense) in the brand new $65,000,000 Airbus 319 jacuzzi that I and a few mates bought him, merely to tell his hosts and everyone else, via a public press conference which more readily and cheaperly could have been called in Caracas, that the summit was, like all of them, a load of rubbish anyway. At this point, I and those like me were allowed to pocket our now substantially lighter chequebooks for a day or two. In which vein, I would like to outpoint that I am particularly well positioned to look with unvarnished, albeit varnishable, uncynicism at plans to locate the new footy field such as to desecrate Burbo it-very-self.
jj <jj>
The Darkening, <>, Vendles, Thu May 23 01:55:34 2002
Building a stadium on the Burbo Bank would first require the united approval of the administrative body that oversees the territory. ie The Mayor of BURBO. His voice goes for all of us. So what he says goes. The next logical step would be to re-route the River Mersey along a logically planned scenic route that would include such notable landmarks as the FIVE LAMPS, THE LIVER, THE ODEON (or whatever it is known as in present times), SEAFIELD, MERCHANT TAYLORS, ST. MARY'S, THE REGENT ( which would have to flaunt it's former glory in order to impress the paying cruise-ferry passengers). A stop at the Crown Building as there will be a few local pubs within walking distance and we could replace McDonalds with an enlarged Satterthwaites duty-free cake shop. This new diversion could eventually re-join the original Mersey probably in the Hall Road area. Crosby could very well gain the title of VENICE OF THE NORTH-WEST! We could sell vials of genuine SEFTON SAND for souvenirs. The possibilities are endless! And of course, the BURBO STADIUM would be the ultimate attraction. Just think, one could sit there all day admiring the wonderful Crosby shoreline from the BURBO BANK!
Frank Cardwell <fcardwell@hotmail.com>
Mississauga, , Canada, Wed May 22 20:56:49 2002
After the latest debacle re the building of a new National Stadium, may I suggest that his Warship (sic), the Burbo Mayor put together a plan to have the new stadium built on the now famous Burbo Bank. Accessibility could achieved by revivifying the erstwhile mersey ferry boat service.The flood lighting could be serviced by the Wind turbines.I would invite any Crosby subscriber to chip in with his/her two pennorth of support. let's see how good and imaginative case we can all make.
footy mad Uncle Frank. <>
crosby, , , Wed May 22 19:32:47 2002
A retired teacher has won damages after being libelled by a former pupil on the Friends Reunited website, even although the site carried the offending words only for a day. Could open interesting opportunities for future class action. How wise of our webmaster(mistress) to have taken a Booth at the Bar and a watchdog to monitor this Noticeboard!
P.Albion <fithcheallach@yahoo.com>
, , , Tue May 21 18:38:51 2002
Qu'est-ce que c'est? Don't write in all capitals. It's not friendly. Idiot.
Le Mouton Rouge <>
, , , Mon May 20 11:34:49 2002
DADDY IS WRONG AS ODEON WAS 6PENCE IN THE SIXTIES,AND LES FEMMES (THE GIRLIES) WOULD HAVE TO WEAR LE MAROOON KNICKERS,AS THE SAME AS THE GARCONS MAROON CRAVATS(SAME COLOUR AS THE BOYS MAROON TIES.MERCE PAPAS FAVORIVE PETITE FEMME,BABEE.......KISS M0M RAT HOLE ALL MON AMIS AT CHESSEY!
babbee WATSON <NODDTWATSON@EMAIL.COM>
VERRT GREEN WITH CORN, OTTAWA, CANADA, Mon May 20 03:50:54 2002
Sooner use the flamethrower on Llewellen-Bowan! JB
John Burns <Jonb4@aol.com>
, , , Mon May 20 03:49:48 2002
PB - I remember the Faldings shop very well, but I'm sorry I can't help you with the whereabouts of any of the family now. I'd say the shop closed in about 1972. Good luck in your search.
Phizynot <aph.uk@virgin.net>
Down South somewhere..., , , Sat May 18 10:42:48 2002
And you could always get Laurence Llewellyn-Bowen to take a flame thrower to the living room...
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, , , Sat May 18 10:33:08 2002
Having seen the pictures on telly, the Mayor is impressed. Impressed, that is, by the superlative skills of "our brave boys" nooly re-arranging the rugged, mountainous terrain of Afganistan. Ever in mind of cost-saving excercises, he has written to the MOD to suggest that our boys could be put to REAL, practical, Burbo-related use. As you can imagine, the Mayoral garden is often used for important civic functions and such landscaping skills could genuinely transform the look and functionality of said garden. And the great thing is, the taxpayer would foot the bill!
Andy Melia <andy.melia@btinternet.com>
Civic pride - Burbo side, , , Sat May 18 08:21:03 2002
Hello Mrs Watson here.My British husbands answers to the questions are for the 1970s quiz are, N01 / no, luv the C2 goes to Thornton ,yer need the L2 for the Richmond Sausage Factory.Anwser No2 ,hey mam can I have sixpence for the Odeon.No3,I dont have any fines in the post for the Crosby Library.N05 I have a certificate for swimming from Crosby Baths.No6 ,have yer got yer sailboat to sail on Coronatian Parks Pond.No17, what der yer mean Princess Anne is going to the Marina.No47 what,the Ribble Bus station/ Cop shop,Crosby Court gone...aaaarrrhhh wheres my Prozac....ooohh yes thats better,now lets go off and play footy at Victoria Park!
mrs watson <noddywatson@hotmail.com>
Richmond, Ottawa, Canada, Sat May 18 03:57:20 2002
Hello Waterloo/Crosby ,who, or didnt go to crosby road infant /junior /senior/manor high school school.I still cant remember how many points I got for Scott /cavell/ fry or Dickens{only kiddies from junior school remember that one) I still love the chip shop of george and angelas in college road,which I still visit every year on me hols.I have to admit that even when I emigrated in 1984 to Cananda, that there is a psychiatrist that Is treating me with my boyhood sex problems with the change of green to navy blue knickers around 1972 at Manor High.Thanks for the memories everyone,noddy watson(official sagger of Manor High school)
john watson aka blackfeet <noddywatson@hotmail.com>
richmond, near Ottawa, Canada, Sat May 18 03:10:13 2002
Does anybody remember Faldings shop in Brooke Road? Would like to trace their daughter Helen.Any one help?
pb <>
crosby, , , Fri May 17 22:58:46 2002
Bill- no just lost my ability to spull! Sufism is not what its cracked up to be.
Pete Hudson <noreligion@aol.com>
, , , Fri May 17 22:12:46 2002
Dear Cal' ol' sock, I feel you may be onto someting there. The house religion, as it were, a choice to be made responsibly by those contemplating a move. It also creates an opening for the lesser and Noo-er versions. There's gotta be mileage in them thar prie-dieus surely? Bearing in mind the longsitting relationship with Ramses et al and Egyptian Godlies, the mayoral dog on the pagehead there takes on all manner of significance, not to speak of a generic Seafield girl too. Ahem.
jj <jj>
The Darkening, x, Vendles, Fri May 17 19:37:05 2002
Changing religions when moving house would be quite an interesting concept. The estate agents could try to sell what they think is the most attractive to you. I wonder what the descriptions of the perceived not-so-hot religions might be?
Caliph Umar <>
, Liverpool, , Fri May 17 18:01:30 2002
Dear Bill, Nothing like giving it a whirl, eh?
Derek 'Ervish <twinkletoes@spin.org>
Ankara, -, Ashby de la Moccha, Fri May 17 16:17:40 2002
Pete, have you perchance become a Muslim mystic since changing homes?
Bill <>
, , , Fri May 17 15:54:53 2002
HI Frank and Bill,Fletchers was on Mount Pleasant.That was about the only place in Waterloo /Crosby that I never went to. I did my ballroom dancing at the Corona Dancehall College Road,then Rock n Roll hit the scene,and all changed.St Lukes Liverpool Road( became known as The Jive Hive) Rileys Ballroom on Moor Lane.Brownmoor Tennis Club building( a wooden hut at the time) off Brownmoor Lane. Great Crosby Secondary Modern(also known as Coronation Road) School,was demolished a few years ago,and now is the site for apartments for the elderly( worrying to think that I now qualify!)If there is anyone on this TCC,who went to Forefield Lane school 1947/51 and Coronation Road 1951/55, I would love to hear from them
Barb <daxie2@hotmail.com>
Crosby, Liverpool, England, Fri May 17 11:57:16 2002
Partly to acknowledge moving house, also to try to prevent half my working day being spent idly sufing, a new email address "at home". Best wishes to all our readers.
Pete Hudson <peteatainsworth@aol.com>
Jackfield, Shropshire, , , Thu May 16 23:02:12 2002
My Grandfather, William H. McKnight was an Engineer on the Olympic for 3 years. He his wife and 4 children lived somewhere in Liverpool Eng. He was assigned to work on the Titanic, however, he stayed with the Olympic and recieved passage to the US for him and his family. I am looking for information on crew lists thru the White Star Line, addresses of where they may have lived and any other information that may be out there. They arrived in the US according to my Father in 1910. There seems to be some discrepency on this as according to records, the Olympic arrived the first time to the US in 1911. He also said that they ported in Philidelphia, and lived in NJ. The records indicate that the Olympic ported in NYC. If anyone has records, crew lists or other useful information PLEASE e-mail me. Thank you Laurie McKnight
Laurie McKnight <cybrwolf123@aol.com>
Liverpool England roots, Charlotte, USA, Thu May 16 17:02:20 2002
My Grandfather, William H. McKnight was an Engineer on the Olympic for 3 years. He his wife and 4 children lived somewhere in Liverpool Eng. He was assigned to work on the Titanic, however, he stayed with the Olympic and recieved passage to the US for him and his family. I am looking for information on crew lists thru the White Star Line, addresses of where they may have lived and any other information that may be out there. They arrived in the US according to my Father in 1910. There seems to be some discrepency on this as according to records, the Olympic arrived the first time to the US in 1911. He also said that they ported in Philidelphia, and lived in NJ. The records indicate that the Olympic ported in NYC. If anyone has records, crew lists or other useful information PLEASE e-mail me. Thank you Laurie McKnight
Laurie McKnight <cybrwolf123@aol.com>
Liverpool England roots, Charlotte, USA, Thu May 16 17:01:51 2002
There was a 10 minute Venezuela spot on Channel 4 the other night JJ. From vague memory it showed "maverick" Senor Pres in his trainers saying he was just a harmless sorta guy. It also mantioned his friendship with Saddam, Gadaffi etc. Plus US fears that he'll turn off the oil tap and them denying 'secret meetings' with the 'other side' to facilitate the 'coup'. Why not ring the BBC foreign desk and tell it as it is?
Andy Melia <andy.melia@btinternet.com>
, , , Tue May 14 12:13:00 2002
Having seen today's Guardian, I would outpoint that the BBC2 Newsnihght story tonight supposédly with inside info on the non-coup in Venezuela and, in the article bruiting it about anyway, the rebuilding of OPEP by the Venezulan Presidential chappie, would appear in prospect to be a load of rubbish, bearing little recognisable relation the events in Caracas. I just thought you all oughta to know that.
jj <jj>
The Darkening, z, Vendles, Mon May 13 17:57:06 2002
Uncle Frank, No you are not the lone surviver from those Halcyon years, I'm still kicking but its getting harder & harder to remember back 60 years. What is the name of the street that Fletchers was on ? Did you have to take a buss to get home after the dance ? I can remember catching the last bus with my girlfriend it was allways full when it arrived but somehow we managed to get another 50 people in , "what fun".
Bill Fitzpatrick <wjoya 1952 @ aol , com>
, Chicago, USA, Fri May 10 05:21:46 2002
What is the Prime Minister's wife doing to that dog's bottom? Is she a trained animal physician? I think we should be told?
The Valiant Vet <>
, , , Fri May 10 03:51:34 2002
Mention the name of Fletcher's dancing Academy to someone of my age and memories come flooding back of those Glorious evenings spent learning the Waltz and quickstep on alternate mondays, all for the price of one and sixpence. Half an hour of tuition allowing time to pick up a few dance steps and ample time to weigh up the female talent for the second half which allowed time to practise what you had learned to the recorded music of Victor Sylvester and line yourself up for a snog later on, if you were lucky! Those of you who are responding and thinking over times past may too have been struck by the mention of St Michael's. Who among you could forget those great evenings spent at the StM's hop on a Saturday night. Small hut, cosy and dancing to the band which included (blind) Frank Anderson on accordian, Peter Johnson on piano and drums, Harry (later Doctor) Halsall on the double bass and Phil( later Sir Phillip) Carter singing his inimitable rendering of that great Bing Crosby number 'Please'. Surely I am not the last survivor from those Halcyon days?
Uncle Frank <>
, Crosby., , Thu May 9 20:16:48 2002
Hi Claire, Bill Fitzpatrick. I cant imagine why you can't get through to me I checked the address and its ok, anyway what can I talk to you about? let me ramble on a bit and tell you about the schools I attended, where I worked and where I played, well you know I went to St Edmonds and Forefield Lane School but I also went to a school in crosby called Great Crosby Senior School,I am not quite sure of its location but Coronation road seems to ring a bell, I wonder if it is still there? After I got out of school I went to work at the Corona Cinema and worked there for four years I was seccond Projectionist,then I came to the US and worked at the British Consulate for four years, which actualy stretched into fifty, but getting back to my teenage years I used to a lot of dancing, I used to go to Place called Fletchers dancing school it was in Waterloo, there was also the Corona Ballroom, we went to dances at St, Lukes also the Crosby town Hall. Allthough I grew up during ww two I had such a wonderfull childhood, Well I'm going to sign of now Claire so hopeing to hear from you,BILL ps, please excuse the spelling it was never my strong suit.
Bill Fitzpatrick <wjoya 1952 @ aol, com>
, Chicago, USA, Thu May 9 07:25:32 2002
How about St. Andrew....we already have his picture. A giant leap, from Mayor to Sainthood, well deserved of course.
Ex Pat USA <>
, , , Thu May 9 06:53:39 2002
Dear P., It's nice to see the lads canonised finally as per yours of then but there warn't no dictatorial anything but a 'strongly felt' vote, as in democratic. I think democracy runs better when there are strongly felts as opposed to not so and corollaryly, low turnouts.
jj <jj>
dunkelhiergelle?, #define _CGI_HTTP_REFERER http://www.merseyworld.com/crosby-channel/guestbookadd.htm, Vendles, Thu May 9 01:02:20 2002
Oh Claire, how truly wonderful that our our dear Worshipful Mayor of Beurbo now heads these 'umble pages. Wish you'd get rid of the dog next to him, though. Mind you, the spaniel can stay.
Loyal Subject <arslikan@slimeball.org>
, , , Thu May 9 00:42:36 2002
The "Fortuijn Saga" takes a novel twist! The elections due to take place on 15th March will not be cancelled, for various "noble reasons". The politicians speak of constitutions, and not submiting to the rule of the gun, but after 27 years, I know the Dutch; it'll cost too much to postpone it.
Bill <>
, Amsterdam, , Wed May 8 23:53:38 2002
Have you noticed how Cherie is gazing rather lovingly at the mystery man - should we tell Tony perhaps?
Suzanne Wright <>
Crosby, , , Wed May 8 18:22:54 2002
Claire, who's that weird looking guy placed next to Cherie - get 'im off! (Like the dog, though)
Andy Melia <andy.melia@btinternet.com>
, , , Wed May 8 17:15:02 2002
Bill Fitzpatrick I would love to speak to you about your school days and anything else you remember. I tried emailing you but can't get through so could you email me at the email address given here please.
Claire Osborne <claire@interface-web.co.uk>
Crosby, , , Wed May 8 11:18:45 2002
The mood on the street is one of incomprehension. Dutch politics has always been a system of compromise and political expedience. Can you imagine a coalition government formed by Labour AND Conservative AND the Lib-Dems AND the left wing of the Green Party? Well, that's what the outgoing government was! (Of course, you have to bear in mind that at the last National election over 40 parties took part, and thanks to P.R. many of them got seats in the Second Chamber!)
Bill <>
Amsterdam, , , Tue May 7 23:35:14 2002
Bill: presumably the Japanese Americans who adopted the Amer-english as their mother tongue are the ones with the health problems. I think I know what you mean about French and Spanish country banquets. Quite the art form in the finest of traditions. Happily for digestion there are few surprises, results are usually fairly predictable, all is friendship and declarations of goodwill, there is all afternoon for eating and drinking, the whole evening for snoozing and smiling and late night and early morning for.... well that's another story..
P.Albion <fithcheallach@yahoo.com>
, , , Tue May 7 21:40:33 2002
St. Michael should be the Patron Saint of Crosby. St. Michael would have the advantage of pacifying footballing masses incensed by the undemocratic, dictatorial, South American style vetoeing of St. Bill and St. Dixie. St Michael also provides a link with the past and the possibility of reviviving Crosby's once famous Goose Feast and Fair. For references about this feast visit: http//www.btinternet.com/~kneesupnorth/nicdiary.htm Claire, this page is perhaps worthy of a TCC link up, if only for the prescription details it contains of Squire Nick's unusual recipe for convulsion fits. And Bill, as the old saying goes: "He who eats goose on Michaelmas day, shan't money lack or have debts to pay." This happy consequence also makes for a healthier future.
P.Albion <fithcheallach@yahoo.com>
, , , Tue May 7 20:16:34 2002
How's the mood on the street Bill after the political asassination? Methinks Europe, bored with the good life is starting to play up again as in the 30s.
Andy Melia <andy.melia@btinternet.com>
Independent Burbo, , , Tue May 7 19:18:57 2002
If what Bill says is the case and I am sure there's a great deal to be said for it, then we should cut to the chase immediately and poll the global Crosbyite community for a Patron Saint for Crosby. In the interests of gravitas and all that, whilst acknowledging sensibilities, I do feel strongly that Bill Shankley and Dixie Dean ought not to be near the top of our listing. So, Lads and Lasses, what's your fancy saintwise, with a view to a longer and happier life for one and all?
jj <jj>
Once more with feeling, <, The Darkening, Tue May 7 14:00:14 2002
Akshully Perf, if we're talking about the same piece of research, the researchers also studied groups of "ethnic" Japanese who have lived for several generations in the U.S.
Bill <blue-eyes@buddhist.com>
, Amsterdam, , Tue May 7 12:02:34 2002
Hi, Claire I was reading your message on the notice board regarding pupils of St, Edmonds, I don't remember very much about it, but my sister and I attended St, Edmonds from 1937 to 1941, when our house on Brunswick Parade was bombed out and we had to moove to a new home on Brownmore Lane, I then attended Forefield Lane School,If I can help you with anything more please get back to me. BILL.
Bill Fitzpatrick <wjoya 1952 @ aol, com>
chicago, illinois, USA, Tue May 7 07:47:53 2002
I live in a house that was once dwelt in by the great Reggie Bosanquet. Does anyone elses house have a famous ex resident. Or am i just being sad? ??????
beware <of>
the, paperazz, photographers, Mon May 6 21:08:45 2002
Does any one remember when we were visited by the great Professor Puzzles? Think it was about 3 years agO Nos
Nos talgic <thinkalotaboutthepast>
crosberry, live here pool, Hingeland, Mon May 6 21:04:34 2002
Ach, Du! I knew der wass an angl der, verdammt nochmal!
Johann Derselber <Bonne@toutefaire.edu>
Ashby von der Zouche, <, Die Bedunkleden, Mon May 6 17:39:36 2002
Recent studies reveal a lower incidence of heart attacks in Japan than in either the United States or the UK. This is attributed to a lower fat diet. On the other hand, the French and the Spanish consume a great deal of fat yet their level of heart related health problems is also lower than in the U.S. and the U.K. The Japanese rarely drink red wine, much less than in the U.K. and the U.S. whereas the French and the Spanish drink much much more. So clearly you can eat and drink as much as you want, it's speaking English that seems to be the problem. Keep up with the Spanglish and the Franglais, Andy. It's healthier !
P.Albion <fithcheallach@yahoo.com>
, , , Mon May 6 17:21:55 2002
How are things in Crosby? The FOUR Lamps saga: three shining brightly at midday. Bank Holiday scallies vandalising the Formby pinewoods. Arsenal top of the league. And me trying to make myself understood in Spanglish and Franglais. Bring on the Bavarians.
Andy Melia <andy.melia@btinternet.com>
I dislike poverty - if only for financial reasons, , , Mon May 6 15:52:38 2002
We've gone quiet again, becalmed again,anonymous, public minded lurkers again, bewitched, bothered and begoogled am I.
Too-ra-lay <how@rethingsincrosby>
, , , Mon May 6 15:12:48 2002
Thinking on, I thought that Bonnie's friend, complete with snapshot was be-Googlable --->-->--> http://www.merseyworld.com/andymelia/ or similar hencely all you have to do is ask for the Bonnie Completion shots and you/we are away. And where's ar Kler anyways?
An anonymous public minded charlie <aapmc@tunbridge.biz>
<, <, TransAm, Thu May 2 20:26:41 2002
I would love to bow to the swell of public opinion. However, I have not, to my knowledge, been given a photo of either canine friend or other.
Claire Osborne <>
, , , Thu May 2 19:22:55 2002
Phoenix-like, rising from the ashes of the sinking-into -the-Mersey site of Crosby Baths a new 'sculpture' is beginning to emerge. Looking like a tepee from the vista of the great Burbo, the architectural theme of the noo Crosby Baths (allegedly) is to be...an oyster shell. Certainly looked impressive when I had a recent stroll along the shore - even Bonnie the dog was wagging wildly. Blue armbands or red?
Andy Melia <andy.melia@btinternet.com>
Top Board, , , Thu May 2 10:11:40 2002
Ian Hendry's parents lived at the College Road end of Winchester Ave. opposite Shrewsbury Ave. when I knew him. Cheers.
Stewart <schristian@keristal.freeuk.com>
also down south, , , Wed May 1 20:09:41 2002
Mr. Hodge: Add to your films shot on Mers